And there wasn’t enough room. Detectives were in the vestibule of the jail office coming into the basement. It was Captain Talbert, I believe, that asked me, in view of the fact that there wasn’t enough room over there, if some of these fellows could stand across there, if we kept them back and put some men to keep them back, and I said, “Yes, this would be all right.” So they were across this ramp. Mr. HUBERT. That is to say, the ramp leading up to Main Street? Chief BATCHELOR. That’s right. Across the ramp leading up to Main Street. They stood from the wall over to the railing. Now there were none standing on the west side of that railing itself. This would have been in front of the cameras. They curved slightly from the wall, from the west wall of the ramp over to the railing. Mr. HUBERT. In sort of a slight curve, sets easterly? Chief BATCHELOR. Slightly to the south. Easterly, and slightly to the south in a very slight curve, and there were detectives standing there all along, and they didn’t move out. They held their positions there, and the press was instructed that they were not to move out or attempt to talk to Oswald. Mr. HUBERT. Did you instruct them yourself, or did you hear someone instruct them? Chief BATCHELOR. No, I didn’t instruct them myself, but I heard them instructed, and I can’t recall who it was that told them, it was one of the supervisors, they were to stay back and not move in when they came out. Mr. HUBERT. Did you hear anyone ask for permission to occupy that space on the Main Street ramp as they did in a slightly curved line, as you indicated a moment ago? Chief BATCHELOR. Did I hear anyone ask for permission? Mr. HUBERT. Yes, sir. Chief BATCHELOR. The supervisor asked me if this would be all right. It was Talbert, I believe, that asked me that. Mr. HUBERT. But you didn’t hear the press people ask? Chief BATCHELOR. No; the press people didn’t ask me that. Mr. HUBERT. Your instructions were that it would be all right if they kept back and if the line of policemen were put in front of them, and so far as you know, it was done? Chief BATCHELOR. That was done. There were a number of policemen along there with them, and there were not very many people along there. That is not very wide across there. I imagine about maybe 12 feet. And they were not over about two deep where one could look over another’s shoulder. Mr. HUBERT. About what time did that happen? Was it after the armored truck arrived? Chief BATCHELOR. They were lined up there at the time Lieutenant Pierce and the sergeant took that car out the Main Street ramp, because they had to part them to get the car through. Mr. HUBERT. So that your conversation with Talbert about that would have been after you left the armored truck, I would think? Chief BATCHELOR. No; not necessarily. They were standing there for some little time, because they didn’t know exactly when he was coming down. No; it was before.