Chief STEVENSON. No, sir; none were visible, not to my knowledge. I could not see any of them. All of the homicide cars are equipped with rifles and shotguns. Mr. HUBERT. Did you have anything to do at all with the arrangements for the obtaining of the armored cars? Chief STEVENSON. No, sir; Chief Batchelor handled that by telephone. He consulted with me on it, but he handled it by telephone. Mr. HUBERT. Were you present in the basement when the armored car arrived? Chief STEVENSON. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. How long before the actual shooting did you go down to the basement? Chief STEVENSON. The last time, I would say some 5, between 5 and 10 minutes, not over that. Mr. HUBERT. In the plan to transfer Oswald down the elevator to the jail office and in the jail corridor into the automobile waiting on the ramp, was there any arrangement made so that Captain Fritz or others would give a signal or would be given a signal as to when to come through? Chief STEVENSON. I understand--I didn’t hear this--but they called down from upstairs, notified the jail sergeant that they were leaving the third floor, and that the jail elevator sergeant observed the elevator on its downward journey when he was there in the jail office. When the jail elevator door opened, Captain Fritz stepped out, followed by the men with the prisoner. Mr. HUBERT. When you say the man in the jail office followed the elevator down, you mean he followed the lights to show the progress? Chief STEVENSON. Observed it as it came down; yes. Mr. HUBERT. Chief Stevenson, has there been any discussion between you and I today which has not been covered in this deposition? I mean, did we have any conversation or any discussion today that has not become a part of the recorded deposition? Chief STEVENSON. You mean our previous deposition? Mr. HUBERT. No; today. Chief STEVENSON. Not to my knowledge; no, sir. Mr. HUBERT. That is my recollection, that we simply exchanged greetings, but other than that we have not spoken except during the time that your deposition was being taken? Chief STEVENSON. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. Thank you very much, sir. Do you have anything you want to add or say? Chief STEVENSON. Mr. Hubert, I don’t know what it would be. I hope I have covered everything. Mr. HUBERT. Thank you, sir. TESTIMONY OF ELGIN ENGLISH CRULL The testimony of Elgin English Crull was taken at 1:40 p.m., on July 14, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr., assistant counsel of the President’s Commission. Sam Kelley, assistant attorney general of Texas, was present. Mr. HUBERT. This is the deposition of City Manager Elgin E. Crull. Mr. Crull, my name is Leon Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of the general counsel of the President’s Commission.