Captain FRITZ. Well, I would have to look at the record to tell whether that is true, but you know he was brought to my office when he was arrested. It is entirely possible he had never been to jail when he was in my office first, so he naturally wouldn’t be under a Tempo, and he was there for some time before he went to jail. Mr. HUBERT. But after he---- Captain FRITZ. Then every time we bring him out, he would be on a Tempo; yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. There was an assembly of the press held late at night of the 22d or possibly early morning of the 23d to which Oswald was brought. Chief Curry and Henry Wade were there, and there were a number of press personnel there. It was held in the assembly room. Did you go to that? Captain FRITZ. No. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know anything about it at all? Captain FRITZ. I knew about it. I know that the chief told me to have him carried to the assembly room, to the showup room, and I directed some of my officers to take him down there, but I didn’t attend the discussion. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know Jack Ruby at all, or did you know? Captain FRITZ. Did I know him before; no, sir, I did not. I never knew him before, to the best of my knowledge. That is the first time I ever saw him, when he was arrested. In fact, when the shooting happened, I thought some officer had lost his reasoning and shot that man, because of so many officers being down there. And I asked one of the officers quickly if that was an officer that shot him, and he said it was “Jack Ruby.” And I said, “Who is Jack Ruby?” And he said, “He owns a club downtown.” Mr. HUBERT. What officer was that? Captain FRITZ. I don’t know, some of my officers. Mr. HUBERT. Of course you have seen pictures? Captain FRITZ. Several of the officers knew him, but I didn’t know him. Mr. HUBERT. You have seen pictures of Ruby and perhaps you have seen him in person since? Captain FRITZ. Oh, yes; I have questioned him since then. Mr. HUBERT. Can you search your memory and tell us whether you saw that same person in and about the police department, particularly the third floor, on the 22d and 23d? Captain FRITZ. No, sir; I did not. I was very busy at that time. It is possible I could have seen him. If I did, I wouldn’t have known him, because there was 200 or 300 people I didn’t know. There was a mob scene, a terrible thing, and I would have uniformed officers help me to get from my office to the chief’s office, to the elevator, and back, to get through the crowd, so he could have been in that crowd and I wouldn’t know it. I have heard since, he was in the crowd, and he probably was. I wouldn’t have known. I would have thought he was another one of those men from the same crowd. Mr. HUBERT. Did you have anything to do with the planning of the exact transfer of Oswald to the county jail?