Mr. FLEMING. He was not sitting in the cab. He was standing on the outside. Mr. HUBERT. No; the policeman was standing on the outside? Mr. FLEMING. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. But I say, that policeman would have been rather close to Mr. Hall? Mr. FLEMING. No. Mr. Hall was on the driver’s side of the cab rather. Mr. HUBERT. Oh, this was the passenger’s side? Mr. FLEMING. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. I see. You observed he was there from the moment you all arrived until after the shooting? Mr. FLEMING. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. How much space was there between the truck and the wall on the passenger’s side? Mr. FLEMING. On the passenger’s side, there was not enough space for anyone to get through into the building, because as I got out of the passenger’s side, I had to go around to the driver’s side. Mr. HUBERT. On the driver’s side, how much room? Mr. FLEMING. There was room for a person to walk between the wall and the truck. Mr. HUBERT. I suppose we better put those dimensions in terms of feet. Take the passenger’s side first. Mr. FLEMING. I would estimate on the passenger’s side the clearance was less than 6 inches. On the driver’s side, I would estimate it to be around 2 feet. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know the width of the truck? Mr. FLEMING. Not offhand. Mr. HUBERT. Returning for the moment to the document which has been marked Exhibit No. 1, I take it then that other than the corrections that you made, that this document represents a fair statement of the interview and represents therefore the truth, so far as you know it? Mr. FLEMING. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Now I would like, if possible, for you to tell us how you fix the time of the call received by you from Chief Batchelor? Mr. FLEMING. Well, I was in the process of shaving in order to go to church at 10 o’clock. My wife answered the telephone, and I had to come to the phone with lather on my face. And by reason of the timing, it was between 9:30 and 9:40. Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Chief Batchelor? Mr. FLEMING. I had met Chief Batchelor within 30 days of this date. Mr. HUBERT. Socially or---- Mr. FLEMING. No. I went to see Chief Batchelor on official business in that at the time we had been apprised of a city ordinance concerning the licensing of our people in Dallas. The company had operated in Dallas since 1928 without a permit to carry firearms, and being aware of that statute, I made an inquiry to determine if we had to be so licensed. And having determined that we did, we then had the wheels in motion to process our company’s license, and I conferred with Chief Batchelor in an effort to clarify insurance and bond problems. Mr. HUBERT. How long was your telephone conversation with Chief Batchelor? Mr. FLEMING. I would estimate 3 minutes. Mr. HUBERT. It was of course concerning the availability of your armored trucks?