Mr. HALL. No; due to one thing. There was approximately 20 minutes of tension. There was quite a bit of activity in the area. I feel very sure that only the people designated passed my long vantage point. Mr. HUBERT. When you say people designated, who do you mean? Mr. HALL. Harold Fleming and the police officer and probably Chief Batchelor. Mr. HUBERT. Now did you hear the shot fired? Mr. HALL. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. From the time that you backed your truck in until the time the shot was fired, did you move out of the van at all? Mr. HALL. No; the reason is that it was parked on a slant and I wanted to make darn sure we didn’t roll or have any problem. Mr. HUBERT. Did you keep your engine running? Mr. HALL. Yes, sir; definitely. Mr. HUBERT. What was the reason why you didn’t go down all the way? Mr. HALL. The height of the truck. The height of the passageway wouldn’t permit our truck down in there. Mr. HUBERT. Was any question raised as to whether the truck had sufficient power to climb up that ramp if it went all the way down? Mr. HALL. Oh, no; it is a heavy Chevrolet truck. Strictly a matter of height. Mr. HUBERT. How much space was there between the right-hand side of your truck and the wall on the Harwood Street side of the Commerce entrance? Mr. HALL. Just enough for one man to pass. Mr. HUBERT. That would be how much, a foot, or 2 feet? Mr. HALL. Approximately 2 feet, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Now were there any police guards that you saw on either side of your truck during the time it was parked? Mr. HALL. Sitting in the driver’s seat looking out the left door to the rear, I could observe a police guard beyond the rear of the truck on the left side. I assumed there were police guards on the right side also, even though from my vantage point I couldn’t see him. Mr. HUBERT. But you did see a police guard to your left? Mr. HALL. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. In the space between the truck and the wall? Mr. HALL. Behind the--further back down, sir, not standing directly between the truck and the building; no. Mr. HUBERT. Nor was there any, I take it then, at the very entrance between your truck and the wall? Mr. HALL. Not stationed permanently at that spot to stand still; no, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Well, were there some moving? Mr. HALL. I have to explain this hesitation. I am trying to recall. At the time, there was quite a bit of activity there. There were policemen moving, patrol type situation. Two on the corner, two out in the street directing traffic, one up at the door to the new part of the city hall, and one out on the sidewalk. Mr. HUBERT. That was in front of your truck more or less? Mr. HALL. Front and to the left; yes, sir. I am not just real positive, but one policeman may have gone through that passageway. Mr. HUBERT. You did not see anybody in civilian clothes?