Captain TALBERT. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Was it then your own initiative that news media were not to be removed from the basement? Captain TALBERT. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. How did that come about? Captain TALBERT. I qualify that in that Sergeant Putnam--as I recall, Sergeant Putnam--it possibly could have been Sergeant Dean was present at the time when Chief Curry told the newsmen there was no point in their setting up their TV cameras and equipment on the third floor, that the man would come through the jail office of the basement. I didn’t personally hear it. It was told by him or one of the other of my superiors that Chief Curry had given them that information, or permission, if you wish. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you did not clear the basement of news media because you understood from Sergeant Putnam or someone else that he had heard Chief Curry say to the news media that there was no use in their setting up their equipment on the third floor since the transfer would be made through the basement? Captain TALBERT. Yes. They were in the process of setting up their live television cameras and what-have-you, when he gave them this information. Mr. HUBERT. Did you check with anyone to see if the news media would be permitted to remain in the basement? Captain TALBERT. No, sir. May I say---- Mr. HUBERT. Sure; go ahead. Captain TALBERT. Could we hold this up just a moment? Mr. HUBERT. Yes; but let me say this, whatever we say off the record---- Captain TALBERT. I can go back on the record. I just want to know if you want something. Mr. HUBERT. All right, let’s go off the record, with the understanding that we must put the contents of what you tell me off the record into it, you see. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. HUBERT. Let’s go on the record. Why don’t you just state that? Let’s put it this way. There was a short conversation, the substance of which will now be covered by Captain Talbert. Captain TALBERT. On my previous deposition it was apparently stated as a fact that we utilized the existing general order in following our usual procedure in handling news personnel, and that is general order No. 81. I have since checked it to make sure that is the correct general order number, and that general order was supplemented in 1963 after two incidents in which news personnel felt they had been held away from their story because of unnecessary precautions by police officers, and it was quite adequate as far as assisting them in obtaining their story. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you were operating under the provisions of that order No. 81, as amended? Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir. I have the amendment. I mean I have No. 81, and I have the additional amendment with me, but I would rather you get it from the department rather than me. Mr. HUBERT. If you have a copy that could be available, I would just as soon get it.