Captain TALBERT. As I recall my contact--I had many contacts with Vaughn regarding, as you may well know, and as I recall that contact, it was after, because I was being rather dogmatic about who was around that entrance with Vaughn at the time. As I recall it, I may be in error here, it might have been after. I mean, it might have been prior to my contact with Dean, and then subsequent contact with Vaughn. Mr. HUBERT. When you first talked to Vaughn, let’s put it this way, did you know that Ruby claimed to have come through the entrance that Vaughn was guarding? Captain TALBERT. I would like to answer you positively, Mr. Hubert, but I can’t. It was the first or second contact. It possibly was the second, but I think it was the first. I believe it was the first. Mr. HUBERT. Well, the conversation you had with Dean where he told you what Ruby had said about how he entered, was at the hospital site? Captain TALBERT. Verbatim, you mean? Mr. HUBERT. No. I mean when you talked to Dean and he told you about what Ruby had said, as to Dean, as to how he got in, that conversation with Dean was at the hospital? Captain TALBERT. At the hospital; yes, sir. I am sorry, I thought you meant what was my conversation. Mr. HUBERT. Had you talked to Vaughn prior to that time? Captain TALBERT. I can’t recall. I really can’t recall, Mr. Hubert. I don’t believe I had been able to get in touch with him. You see, getting into telephone contact with these people took a little time, and it also didn’t occur until after I had cleared the lobby of the hospital and posted guards at the doors. But I can’t recall. I mean I can’t remember to give you a definite answer on that. Mr. HUBERT. Did you talk to Pierce, Lieutenant Pierce about how Ruby came into the basement, if you recall? Captain TALBERT. Many times. Mr. HUBERT. I mean the first time that you talked to him, do you remember? Captain TALBERT. I can’t recall the first time. I can’t recall actually getting in touch with Pierce from the hospital. Now I possibly did, but I was a busy man, and I can’t recall. Mr. HUBERT. When you did talk to Pierce about how Ruby claimed he entered into the basement, did he seem to know about it? Captain TALBERT. No, sir. He was quite vociferous, in fact. Mr. HUBERT. Vociferous in what way? Captain TALBERT. Language. We wouldn’t want to put it in this deposition, sir. By that I mean he was alleging that he had entered that Main Street entrance. Lieutenant Pierce said he couldn’t have. And then the vociferousness. Mr. HUBERT. It was a matter of emphasis on that point? Captain TALBERT. Was an emphasis on Ruby’s character, actually. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, Pierce’s reaction was that it was not true, so far as he knew? Captain TALBERT. His reaction was startled, and that he even alleged that he came in that way, and that it couldn’t possibly have been true.