Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No. I am almost positive that not one of those people even know Jack. Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Mike, Michael Levin. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Mike is our family lawyer. Mike knew Jack ever since he was a kid. Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Marty Eritt? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Marty Eritt I told you they probably went to school together and probably knew each other on the West Side. Mr. GRIFFIN. Barney Ross? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Barney Ross he has known all his life. Mr. GRIFFIN. What was your connection with the Jack Ruby Appeal Committee? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. It was hard to get members names. A lot of people, business people, don’t want to put their names on this kind of a committee. So I used my name, I said, “Mike, go ahead and use my name.” I had nothing to hide and nothing to be ashamed of. We needed money. Those trials are expensive, gentlemen. Mr. GRIFFIN. Who was handling the funds for the defense? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Earl. Mr. GRIFFIN. How about the money that was raised by the Jack Ruby Appeal Committee? Did Earl have anything to do with that? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Earl. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have anything to do with the raising of funds other than this letter and this advertisement? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Nothing outside of these two. Mr. GRIFFIN. When was the first time that you talked with your brother Jack after the shooting? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I think it was down in Dallas. I believe it was down in Dallas when I was down there. Mr. GRIFFIN. That was December sometime? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes, sir, either the 22d or the 23d of December is as close as I can get to it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall seeing him on that occasion? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall how long you talked to him? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Quite a while. I think I was there with Eva, and who else was down there, Sammy. Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you tell us what you said to him and what he said? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. What did we talk about: Something about, this is the gist of it if I can remember right because I walked away thinking about it to myself that he loved the President and something happened to him, that he don’t remember exactly what it was, and all that I remembered is the last time when he was down at the Western Union office when he wired that dancer of his $25 that she needed for room rent and I says, “What else, Jack?” And he said, “That is all I can remember.” Then he mentioned something about the policemen down in Dallas. He said they lied. He said, “I didn’t say any of those things.” Mr. GRIFFIN. That would have been after the trial that he mentioned that to you. I am talking about conversations he had before the trial. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Oh, that is right, yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember that meeting? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Well, there wasn’t much to say. First of all they have a little piece of glass that big that you can see him through. Mr. GRIFFIN. You are indicating about 6 by 6.