Mr. HALL. I was in the office of the chief of police in Dallas, Tex., at approximately 12:35 p.m. on November 24, 1963, when I received a telephone call from the special agent in charge of the FBI in Dallas, Tex., Mr. J. Gordon Shanklin, who instructed me to interview Jack Ruby. Mr. HUBERT. Did you have to secure the permission of the chief to do so, just tell us what happened after that? Mr. HALL. I immediately contacted the chief of police, Jesse Curry, and advised him that I would like to interview Jack Ruby. Mr. HUBERT. You were in the same building at the time--you were in his office, the chief of police’s office? Mr. HALL. I was in his office at the time I received the telephone call. Mr. HUBERT. And he was in there too? Mr. HALL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. So, you were able to talk to him immediately? Mr. HALL. Yes; well, actually, I took the phone call outside of his office, just outside of his office. I went into his office and explained to him that I would like to talk to Jack Ruby. Chief Curry stepped outside his office where a uniformed officer was and instructed this officer to take me immediately to where Jack Ruby was, and instructed the officers there on duty that I was to interview Jack Ruby immediately. Mr. HUBERT. And where was Jack Ruby, then, when you first saw him? Mr. HALL. Jack Ruby was in a cell in the city jail at Dallas, Tex. Mr. HUBERT. Was he interviewed in that cell or elsewhere? Mr. HALL. He was in a cell block area, by that I mean, there was an outer door and then a series of cells, with a hallway in between and he was the only occupant in that cell block area, the only prisoner being held in that area. There was a table and some chairs in the space between the front of the cells. Mr. HUBERT. In the hallways? Mr. HALL. Yes, sir; Ruby came outside to the table and we sat at the table during the time I interviewed him. Mr. HUBERT. And your interview must have begun, then, about 5 minutes later, you suppose? Mr. HALL. My interview with Jack Ruby commenced at 12:40 p.m. on November 24, 1963. Mr. HUBERT. Did you know who else was present at the time you first went in? Mr. HALL. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Who was that? Mr. HALL. Detective T. D. McMillon [spelling] M-c-M-i-l-l-o-n, of the auto theft bureau was seated in front of the cell where Ruby was sitting at the time I walked in. Just a few minutes later another detective named B. S. Clardy [spelling] C-l-a-r-d-y, from the auto theft bureau of the Dallas Police Department came in. A uniformed officer, K. H. Haake [spelling] H-a-a-k-e, Badge No. 1107, was on guard duty at the outer door of the cell block. Mr. HUBERT. Now, did those three persons you have mentioned remain within the sight and hearing of your interviewing of Jack Ruby throughout the whole time, from the beginning to the end? Mr. HALL. No, sir.