Mr. KANTOR. Well, to begin with, it would vary. There was a photographer on the paper, for instance, who was doing some outside work for Jack Ruby. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall his name? Mr. KANTOR. Yes. His name is Pete Fisher. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall the work that he was doing for him? Mr. KANTOR. I don’t know everything he was doing for him, but I believe he was making some stock publicity shots of the dancers in the club, the downtown club. And I well remember on one of the occasions that Jack was in the office about 7 or 8 o’clock one night to see Pete Fisher, and I was working late. I talked with Jack probably for more than an hour or so. I don’t know how many times I talked to him altogether, or how long each time period was. But they ranged, I guess, from a few minutes to about an hour. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever have occasion to meet him outside of your business? Mr. KANTOR. No; I never did. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did Mr. Ruby ever talk to you about himself, or about his background, or his clubs? Mr. KANTOR. Yes. This one occasion I mentioned, when he was in the office late in the day, he had a young man with him who, I believe, he said was a nephew. At any rate, it was a relative. And he said that he was trying to help the boy and get him an education, and that he, himself, had not had too much of an education, and he felt that--he was sorry he wound up in the girlie show business. He wished that he had a more substantial occupation. And, at that time, I recall he told me about growing up in Chicago, and that things were pretty hard for him, and that he had pulled himself up by the bootstraps and still would prefer to be out of the business he was in. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Mr. Ruby have any characteristic speech pattern that you recall? Anything unusual about his speech or noticeable? Mr. KANTOR. I guess he had a very slight lisp, perhaps--not very strong, I would say. Mr. GRIFFIN. How about his choice of words? Was he a man who was given to talking in grandiose terms or using profanity? Mr. KANTOR. If he used profanity, it doesn’t register with me. He was an effusive person. Obviously when he liked somebody or something, he liked that person or that thing very much. And if he didn’t, he portrayed it rather strongly, also. And his facial expressions would change, depending on what he was talking about. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember any particular things that he expressed great like or dislike for?