In answer to a question put by me to Mr. Tindale as to whether or not it was not a fact that his firm owned outright most of its publications, he made a statement to the effect that they did not own more than one-ninth or one-tenth per cent of all their publications, but could not say how many publications it amounted to. As a matter of fact, as far as my knowledge goes, I understand that Schirmer & Co., who was represented at the hearing by Mr. Tindale, own outright most of their publications. I am attorney for many authors and composers, and I know that when they need money they take their composition to a publisher and he will pay them a small amount--$25 to $100--for a musical composition, and no matter what the income may be, whether it is $25,000 or $100,000, these music publishers are not philanthropists enough to hand any additional sum to such author or composer. The statement has not been denied that Mr. Arthur W. Tams has purchased of the various music publishers publications of secular works, such as oratorios, cantatas, masses, and octavo choruses amounting to three to four thousand dollars per annum, and he has since ascertained that it was nearer $5,000 per annum, and that this has been going on for the past fifteen years. These publishers knew the nature of his business and have never interfered with the renting thereof. I believe it has already been stated that these publications were bought by Tams as a convenience to the various church choirs, schools, and vocal societies who rent and perform the same without profit, and that it takes five years or more for Mr. Tams to get back the amount which it cost him for the publication. It is conceded that Mr. Tams is the proprietor of the largest music library in the world, and that his profit is derived from publications of his own of which he can print any number of thousands of copies at a cost to him of from 1 to 2 cents apiece, and that in addition thereto that he rents operas and other plays belonging to him which are being produced for profit and on which royalty is paid by him, and it was on account of the pressure of his various customers throughout the United States that he did bother with buying the publications of religious or secular works, such as oratorios, cantatas, masses, and octavo choruses for the purpose of renting the same to church choirs, schools, and vocal societies that performed the same without profit.