Mr. CURRIER. I want to ask you the question that I asked Mr. Davis a moment ago: Would the people whom you represent object to paying a reasonable royalty to the author or proprietor of the musical composition if that right was given to all upon the same terms? Mr. O'CONNELL. Primarily, I appear, sir, for the independent manufacturers of automatic piano players. Here, to-day, as I understand, I am expected to speak for the interests of the independent cutters of music rolls as well. Speaking for the clients that I originally and personally represent, I answer that provided you have the power to pass such a law we have no objection to paying a reasonable royalty to the composers, provided we are put on an equal basis with everybody else and provided our business interests are protected. That is our attitude. We do not wish to be unfair to anybody. The CHAIRMAN. Protection in what way? How far do you wish that protection to extend? Mr. O'CONNELL. In this way: It is difficult to devise a plan--in answer to the question of Mr. Currier--which will protect us, and for this reason---- Mr. CURRIER. I realize the difficulties. Senator SMOOT. You have no idea of being protected any more than any other concern? Mr. O'CONNELL. No, sir; we want to have only the same rights as anybody else. You must understand, Mr. Chairman, that the Æolian Company is by far the largest manufacturer of automatic piano players. If they control the output of the device, without which those players can not be operated, it is perfectly clear that it is the easiest thing on earth for them to put one after the other of the independent manufacturers down and out. I have not thought up a plan which could be devised to protect them, because that is a very difficult thing to do, and the time given for preparation has been extremely brief. In line with what Mr. Herbert said a few moments ago, we are perfectly clear that neither Mr. Herbert nor Mr. Sousa can be controlled by this combination. They are too big. But they are the only composers in the United States to-day of whom that can be said. Mr. BURKAN. How about De Koven, and how about Julian Edwards; and how about---- Mr. O'CONNELL. That being so, it seems strange to me that those eminently respectable gentlemen, Mr. Herbert and Mr. Sousa, have been put forward here as advocates of this bill, when the very men who will be the greatest gainers by it have sedulously kept themselves in the background, and do not appear to be represented here, even nominally.