What will be the result if these features of the bill are put through? Mr. Herbert and Mr. Sousa will get some benefits from it. Ninety-nine per cent of the composers will get absolutely nothing from it. The Æolian Company and the concerns affiliated with it will have millions of dollars turned into their coffers. And the net result is that the public will pay and the independent manufacturers whom we represent will either go out of business, or will have to transact business in such a way that it will be without any profit to themselves, or entirely on sufferance. That is the broad, general question that is before you, gentlemen, of these committees. We only want a square deal. We want no rights that anybody else does not get. But we do not want to have others put in a position where they can take away our right to do business on a reasonable basis. That being the broad general proposition, I shall expect during the summer vacation to supply your committees with as much information as I possibly can on these various matters, and I ask the committees to do what they can toward investigating how far I am right in this matter. I can say that those charges have been made in the White-Smith suits in the circuit court and circuit court of appeals, and they have not been answered in anyway by the representatives of the monopoly to which I refer, nor have they been denied. On the bill itself---- Mr. CHANEY. What section? Mr. O'CONNELL. I will take it from the beginning, if you please. The CHAIRMAN. Before you proceed with the bill: Have the companies that you represent made any effort to secure contracts with Mr. Sousa and Mr. Herbert and the other composers that have been mentioned? M. O'CONNELL. The companies that I represent do not make contracts with composers. The companies that I represent primarily, the 10 manufacturers, do not cut perforated music. They buy it. They buy it either from the Æolian Company, or from one of the many independent manufacturers of such rolls. So that we are not brought into direct contact with Mr. Sousa, Mr. Herbert, or any composers. We want to be in a position where the independents will not be forced out of the field, or where we can be forced to buy this perforated music at an exorbitant figure, or where they can be in the position of refusing to give it to us at any price. The CHAIRMAN. These companies, as I understand, under existing law simply go to the store offering the music for sale, which is music, and then put it upon the rolls. Is that right? Mr. O'CONNELL. I do not know what the particular arrangements are that the composers have with the publishers, or the publishers with the music companies. The CHAIRMAN. Under existing law, is it necessary for the manufacturer to do more than I have stated?