I want, in closing, however, to emphasize one fact which my predecessor, I understood, was told was unnecessary. With all deference to the chairman, who said so, I disagree with him. That is the fact that not only was the American Graphophone Company and the talking-machine interests not notified, not only were these conferences--quarterly conferences, we might call them, held in secret---- Mr. CURRIER. I think you gentlemen had better all make it clear, when you speak about these conferences, that you do not refer to committees of Congress. Mr. CAMERON. No, sir; we do not. We refer to these star chamber proceedings, before this bill was introduced into Congress. Mr. CURRIER. By whom? Not by anybody connected with the Congress? Mr. CAMERON. By Herbert Putnam and the men he brought around him. That is by whom. Mr. CURRIER. I wanted it made clear that you were not referring to any committees of Congress. Mr. CAMERON. Every effort was made to keep us from knowing that any such bill was under way. It was not merely an act of omission, but it was an act of commission. That is not all. Not only were the American Graphophone Company not notified, but, if you will turn to the list of those present, you will find that one of those whom I have mentioned here, the representative of the Victor Talking Machine Company, at the third stage of the proceedings, was present--as what? As one of the musical publishers of the country, representing the Victor Talking Machine as one of the musical publishers of this country. See how close the association is. The gentleman who follows me will point out that association a little closer. I think by that time the committee will realize that my suggestion of a close cooperation between the National Phonograph Works, the Victor Talking Machine Company, and the Musical Publishers' Association is well founded. I thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Gentlemen, we will meet to-morrow morning at 10 o'clock to hear Mr. Walker. Mr. BURKAN. I represent the publishers and the composers. An attack has been made here, and we feel that we should get at least several minutes to answer the charges that have been made. Mr. CURRIER. You will have some time to-morrow. We meet at 10 o'clock to hear Mr. Walker for an hour. After that you gentlemen will have an opportunity to be heard, undoubtedly. Mr. CROMELIN. I was to appear here to-day for the manufacturers, in behalf of the talking machine interests, and was to follow Mr. Cameron. If the chairman pleases, I should be very glad to continue the first thing to-morrow morning, and let Mr. Walker follow. The CHAIRMAN. I could not consent to that, because I understand that Mr. Walker has been notified that he will be heard the first thing to-morrow morning. Mr. CROMELIN. I think Mr. Walker will agree to that. Mr. WALKER. It will be quite consistent with my convenience to let this gentleman precede me for whatever time he wishes. The CHAIRMAN. How long would you want?