Senator LATIMER. Then it is paid for when you get these records? Mr. CAMERON. I do not wish to be misunderstood. We can take and do take one of Sousa's marches and have another band, with which Mr. Sousa is not connected, play, and we make the record; and in that case Mr. Sousa does not get any of the compensation whatever. None of that goes to him. Mr. WEBB. But you do not advertise it as being played by Sousa's band? Mr. CAMERON. Not at all. We advertise it as Sousa's march. Mr. WEBB. You advertise it as a march by Sousa as a composer, but played by somebody else as the executant? Mr. CAMERON. Yes. That is recognized as such a valuable thing to the composer, that John Philip Sousa has been to the office of the American Graphophone Company, in years gone by, with advance scores, and asked them to send them out, to advertise and help John Philip Sousa along. He will not deny it. Moreover, we are flooded to-day with artists that are struggling on the lower rounds of the ladder, that are not as high up as John Philip Sousa was a few years ago, either, begging us to do the same thing for them. I mention that to show you that even John Philip Sousa, before he got where he bestrode the musical world like a colossus, even he recognized the advertising value of the talking machine to a composer. We are not doing him such a great injury. Mr. SOUSA. I would like to say, Mr. Chairman, that the gramophone, these talking machines, are really of very recent date. I believe the gentleman will agree with me when I say that if we go back fifteen years or sixteen years ago, we looked upon them purely as a toy. I remember the first one I saw here in this city where I was born. A gentleman had a man bark into it, and it was a remarkable thing to hear this thing bark---- The ACTING CHAIRMAN. I would suggest, Mr. Sousa, that you are taking up this gentleman's time. Unless you want to specifically deny something that he has said, or ask a question, it is hardly fair to him. Mr. SOUSA. If I ever did allow the Gramophone Company to do it, it was because I did not think it was as important to them or to me as I do now. Mr. CAMERON. Please do not confuse us with the Gramophone Company. It is a different thing. Mr. CURRIER. Do you wish to deny that you are a musical colossus? [Laughter.] Mr. SOUSA. No. I will admit that. [Laughter.] Mr. CAMERON. One thing more in regard to the constitutional question which I mentioned. I shall submit, or the company I represent will submit, a written brief. You will be addressed on that point much more ably than I can address you by Mr. Walker, who will succeed me.