My client, the Automusic Perforating Company, has a plant that cost $50,000. That mechanism is adapted to perforating rolls, and if they should use that mechanism in perforating 500 rolls with perfect right, and then inadvertently use that mechanism in perforating one roll that was held to infringe, under this bill their whole plant would be cleared out of their place and would be destroyed. Gentlemen, that is so surprising a proposition that I presume it may be of interest to know the origin of it. The patent laws of England provide that, at the discretion of the court, infringing material may be destroyed. That is because the Parliament of England is not subject to any constitutional limitations, and can pass any kind of a law that it pleases. Mr. Justice Gray knew more about the laws of England than he did about the laws of America; and at one time, one of the two times when he was deciding a patent case while he was on the bench, he ran across an English decision in which it was held that the infringing goods might be destroyed. And then, by way of obiter dictum, without having the slightest occasion to do so, he wrote into the decision an obiter dictum to the effect that that was the law of this country. But the judges of the circuit courts know better, and never have enforced that obiter dictum. And if they were to enforce it they would violate two or three provisions of the Constitution, among others that no person shall be deprived of property without due process of law. But the authors of this provision, taking the hint from that obiter dictum of Justice Gray, have not only applied it to the same matter that Judge Gray applied it to, namely, the infringing thing itself, but to the entire plant of the infringer. (At this point it was announced that Mr. Walker's time was up.) Mr. WALKER. I promised to stop at the end of an hour, and I will do so. The CHAIRMAN. Can you finish what you desire to say regarding the provisions of this bill in five minutes additional? Mr. WALKER. Well, I can talk five minutes; I ought to have ten. [Laughter.] The CHAIRMAN. We will give you five minutes more because of the interruptions. Mr. WALKER. Yes. Section 30, in respect to this matter of importations--I am now speaking on behalf of the gentlemen, no one of whom I know, namely, those who desire to be protected in this country against the competition of the labor of Europe in getting up copyrighted books. Section 30 reads: