Mr. LIVINGSTONE. Mr. Chairman, I simply wish to state two things in contradiction of the last speaker. I stand here for a large reproductive interest, and consequently we are speaking also from the standpoint of the reproducer. We dissent very strongly from his opinion and we support the bill in respect to notice as it now is. That is all we wish to say now. Mr. WEBB. You want the word "accessible" kept in just as it is now? Mr. LIVINGSTONE. Yes, sir. Mr. WEBB. What do you understand that to mean? Mr. LIVINGSTONE. I understand that to imply that that notice must be easily get-at-able in the painting or other object. Mr. WEBB. Well, "accessible" means "get-at-able." Mr. LIVINGSTONE. Yes, sir. Mr. WEBB. But you have not got "easily accessible" in here. You have got "accessible," simply, whether with difficulty or whether with ease. Mr. LIVINGSTONE. In the case of a painting or work of art it is very easy--you can hardly conceive of a case where, if the notice is accessible at all, it can not be obtained. Mr. WEBB. Well, why should you object to the word "uncovered"--"accessible and uncovered?" Mr. LIVINGSTONE. Because if you include the word "uncovered" you then impose some other conditions which are the result of that term, as, for example, you may compel the notice to be on the face. I will give a concrete illustration that is easily understood. Suppose you have a very small miniature which is very delicately painted. You can not put that notice across the face of the miniature, and yet you can take the miniature in your hands and turn it over and find the notice in an accessible place with ease. Mr. WEBB. Do you think, though, that "accessible and uncovered" means putting it on the front of the painting or photograph? Could it not be on the back and be still uncovered on the back? Mr. LIVINGSTONE. The painting may be hanging on the wall. Mr. WEBB. It would still be uncovered. Mr. LIVINGSTONE. Oh, not necessarily; no, sir. Mr. WEBB. As far as the painting itself is concerned, I do not know why you all quibble between "accessible" and "uncovered," and I did not know what was the real difficulty between you on this word "accessible." The word "visible" has been suggested. Mr. LIVINGSTONE. Another case would be this: In certain kinds of sculptures you could not possibly put that notice upon the face of the sculpture without a serious marring of it, without a serious impairment of its commercial value. The law even now takes cognizance of this, and permits you, in those cases, to put it on the bottom or on the back. It may not necessarily be uncovered, but it is accessible. STATEMENT OF PIRIE MACDONALD, ESQ., OF THE PHOTOGRAPHERS' COPYRIGHT LEAGUE.