"We should be in an awful stew if nowadays we substituted ideas of chivalry for those of justice," declared Mr. Tutt. "Fortunately the danger is past. As someone has said, 'The women, once our superiors, have become our equals!'" "We don't even give 'em our seats in the Subway," commented Tutt complacently. "No, we needn't worry about the return of chivalry--in New York at any rate." "I should say not!" exclaimed Miss Wiggin, entering at that moment with a pile of papers, as nobody rose. "But," insisted Bonnie, "all the same there are certainly plenty of cases where if he had to choose between them any man would obey his conscience rather than the law." "Of course, there are such cases," admitted Mr. Tutt. "But we ought to discourage the idea as much as possible." "Discourage a sense of honor?" exclaimed Miss Wiggin. "Why, Mr. Tutt!" "It depends on what you mean by honor," he retorted. "I don't take much stock in the kind of honor that makes an heir apparent 'perjure himself like a gentleman' about a card game at a country house." "Neither do I," she returned, "any more than I do in the kind of honor that compels a man to pay a gambling debt before he pays his tailor, but I do believe that there may be situations where, though it would not be permissible to perjure oneself, honor would require one to refuse to obey the law." "That's a pretty dangerous doctrine," reflected Mr. Tutt. "For everybody would be free to make himself the judge of when he ought to respect the law and when he oughtn't. We can easily imagine that the law would come out at the small end of the horn." "In matters of conscience--which, I take it, is the same thing as one's sense of honor--one has got to be one's own judge," declared Miss Wiggin firmly. "The simplest way," announced Tutt, "is to take the position that the law should always be obeyed and that the most honorable man is he who respects it the most." "Yes, the safest and also the most cowardly!" retorted Miss Wiggin. "Supposing the law required you to do something which you personally regarded not only as morally wrong but detestable, would you do it?" "It wouldn't!" protested Tutt with a grimace. "The law is the perfection of reason." "But I am entitled, am I not, to suppose, for purposes of argument, that it might?" she inquired caustically. "And I say that our sense of honor is the most precious thing we've got. It's our duty to respect our institutions and obey the law whether we like it or not, unless it conflicts with our conscience, in which case we ought to defy it and take the consequences!" "Dear me!" mocked Tutt. "And be burned at the stake?" "If necessary; yes!" "I don't rightly get all this!" remarked Bonnie. "Me for the lee side of the law, every time!" "It's highly theoretical," commented Tutt. "As usual with our discussions."