Governor Bradford's first dialogue : $b A dialogue, or the sum of a conference between some young men born in New England and sundry ancient men that came out of Holland and old England, anno Domini 1648.Bradford, William
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Governor Bradford's first dialogue : $b A dialogue, or the sum of a conference between some young men born in New England and sundry ancient men that came out of Holland and old England, anno Domini 1648.
Bradford, William
Pilgrims (New Plymouth Colony) -- Early works to 1800; Separatists
Mr. Robinson also, in his Apology, page 45, chapter 8, to take off
the aspersion charged on them, as if all the members of a church were
to prophesy publicly, answers, “It comes within the compass but of a
few of the multitude, haply two or three in a church, so to do; and
touching prophecy,” saith he, “we think the very same that the Synod
held at Embden, 1571, hath decreed in these words: ‘First, in all
churches, whether but springing up, or grown to some ripeness, let
the order of prophecy be observed, according to Paul’s institution.
Secondly, into the fellowship of this work are to be admitted not only
the ministers, but the teachers too, as also of the elders and deacons,
yea, even of the multitude, which are willing to confer their gift
received of God to the common utility of the church; but so as they
first be allowed by the judgment of the ministers and others.’ So we
believe and practise with the Belgic churches, &c.” See more in the
immediate following page.
_Young men._--We cannot but marvel that in so few years there should
be so great a change, that they who were so hotly persecuted by the
prelates, and also opposed by the better sort of ministers, not only
Mr. Gifford, Mr. Bernard, and other such like, but many of the most
eminent both for learning and godliness, and yet now not only these
famous men and churches in New England so fully to close with them in
practice, but all the godly party in the land to stand for the same
way, under the new name of Independents, put upon them.
_Ancient men._--It is the Lord’s doing, and it ought to be marvellous
in our eyes; and the rather, because Mr. Bernard, in his book, made
their small increase in a few years one and the chief argument against
the way itself. To which Mr. Robinson answered, that “Religion is not
always sown and reaped in one age; and that John Huss and Jerome of
Prague finished their testimony a hundred years before Luther, and
Wickliff well nigh as long before them, and yet neither the one nor
the other with the like success as Luther. And yet,” saith he, “many
are already gathered into the kingdom of Christ; and the nearness of
many more throughout the whole land (for the regions are white unto the
harvest) doth promise within less than a hundred years, if our sins and
theirs make not us and them unworthy of this mercy, a very plenteous
harvest” (_Justif._ folio 62); as if he had prophesied of these times.
Yea, some of us have often heard him say that “even those ministers and
other godly persons that did then most sharply oppose them, if they
might come to be from under the bishops, and live in a place of rest
and peace, where they might comfortably subsist, they would practise
the same things which they now did.” And truly, many of us have seen
this abundantly verified, not only in these latter times, but formerly.
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