_June 10._--He spoke so indistinctly, and with such volubility,
that I did not well comprehend him, but gathered from his
discourse that we are all parts of the Deity. I observed that we
had not these opinions in Europe, but understood that they were
parts of the Brahmanic system. On my asking him for the
foundation of his opinions, he said the first argument he was
prepared to bring forward was this: God exists, man also exists,
but existence is not twofold, therefore God and man are of the
same nature. The minor I disputed: he defended it with many
words. I replied by objecting the consequences, Is there no
difference between right and wrong? There appeared a difference,
he said, to us, but before God it was nothing. The waves of the
sea are so many aspects and forms, but it is still but one and
the same water. In the outset he spoke with great contempt of
all revelation. 'You know,' said he, 'that in the law and Koran,
etc., it is said, God _created heaven_ and the _earth_,' etc.
Reverting to this, I asked whether these opinions were agreeable
to what the prophets had spoken. Perceiving me to be not quite
philosophical enough for him, he pretended some little reverence
for them, spoke of them as good men, etc., but added that there
was no evidence for their truth but what was traditionary. I
asked whether there was anything unreasonable in God's making a
revelation of His will. He said, No. Whether a miracle for that
purpose was not necessary, at least useful, and therefore
credible? He granted it. Was not evidence from testimony
rational evidence? Yes. Have you then rational evidence for the
religion of Mohammed? He said the division of the moon was
generally brought forward, but he saw no sufficient evidence for
believing it; he mentioned the Koran with some hesitation, as
if conscious that it would not stand as a miracle. I said
eloquence depended upon opinion; it was no miracle for any but
Arabs, and that some one may yet rise up and write better. He
allowed the force of the objection, and said the Persians were
very far from thinking the eloquence of the Koran miraculous,
however the Arabs might think so. The last observation he made
was, that it was impossible not to think well of one by whose
example and instructions others had become great and good;
though therefore little was known of Mohammed, he must have been
something to have formed such men as Ali. Here the conversation
ceased. I told them in the course of our conversation that,
according to our histories, the law and Gospel had been
translated into Persian before the time of Mohammed. He said
they were not to be found, because Omar in his ignorant zeal had
probably destroyed them. He spoke with great contempt of the
'Arab asses.'
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