[34] _Relation de Cibola_, part ii. cap. iii. p. 163, and especially part iii. cap. ix. p. 243. "On fit d'abord cent dix lieues vers l'ouest, en partant de Mexico; Ton se dirigea ensuite vers le nord-est pendant cent lieues; puis pendant six cent cinquante vers le nord, et l'on n'était encore arrive qu'aux ravins des bisons. De sorte qu'après avoir fait plus de huit cent cinquante lieues, on n'était pas en définitive à plus de quatre cents de Mexico." The "Casas Grandes" in Chihuahua are on the river of the same name, north-west of the city of Chihuahua, and nearly south of János. I have been unable as yet to ascertain when they first came to notice. According to Antonio de Oca Sarmiento, _Letter to the General Francisco de Gorraez Beaumont_, dated 22 Sept., 1667, in _Mandamiento del Señor Virey, Marques de Mancora, sobre las Doctrinas de Casas Grandes, que estaban en las Yumas, Jurisdiccion de San Felipe del Parral_, in _Documentos_, 4 série, vol. iii. p. 231, etc., the Padre Pedro de Aparicio died there, and the General Francisco de Gorraez Beaumont, 1 _Letter_, 25 Oct., 1667, p. 234, adds: "Que en este puesto de las Casas Grandes era parimo de minéria y segun tradicion antigua y ruinas que se veian que decian ser del tiempo de Moctezuma." A very good description of the ruins has been given by José Agustin Escudero, _Noticias Estadísticas del Estado de Chihuahua_, Mexico, 1834, cap. viii. pp. 234, 235, who visited them in 1819. Finally, Mr. J. R. Bartlett, _Personal Narrative_, etc., vol. ii. cap. xxxv., has furnished excellent descriptions and plates. It is hardly possible to determine if these ruins would better correspond to "Chichilticalli" than those on the Gila. The fact that the former presented, in 1819, the appearance of one solitary building, whereas the latter, in 1697, composed a group of _eleven_, is noteworthy, but far from being a critical point. [35] _Relation_, etc, ii. cap. iii. p. 165. [36] _Relation_, etc., p. 370. [37] Castañeda, i. cap. xi. pp. 58, 63, 64. [38] _Relation_, i. cap. xii., pp. 69, 70; ii. cap. iii. p. 166. [39] _Relation_, p. 370. Castañeda, i. cap. xiii. p. 76. [40] _Relation_, p. 370. [41] Jaramillo, pp. 370 and 371.