The truth began to be pursued more closely. The reverend Jean Michod, of Vevey, who had studied at Paris and was acquainted with the interpretations of Romish theology, rose and said--‘St. Peter tells us that there are unlearned persons who pervert the Holy Scriptures to their own destruction. I have often listened to wise doctors at Paris, and they all declared that that passage of the Epistle to the Romans--_A man is justified by faith without the works of the law_--had reference exclusively to the Jewish _ceremonies_, such as circumcision.’ Then turning to Caroli, ‘You, sir, our master,’ said he, ‘I have heard you at Paris, at the College of Cambrai, expound that passage in the same way.’ That was an _argumentum ad hominem_, and Michod believed that the circumstances peculiar to the person himself to whom he addressed it rendered it unanswerable. But Caroli, who was not deficient in presence of mind, replied, ‘The fact is that I was at that time one of those unlearned persons of whom St. Peter speaks in the passage which you have just cited, who _pervert the Holy Scriptures_. But God has now given me the true understanding of the matter. I have changed, and it will be well for you to do the same.’[400] [Sidenote: THE REAL PRESENCE.] In the afternoon of the third day they passed to the second thesis, affirming that Jesus is the only pontiff. As no one raised an objection, even in favor of the pope, which was a very significant fact, they went on to the third proposition, respecting the true Church. _That Church_, it was said, _Christ, who in his corporal presence has been taken away from us, fills, governs, and vivifies by his Holy Spirit_. The Roman Catholics took advantage of the thesis to turn the discussion on the corporal presence. Blancherose, who was always confident that he could answer everything, rose first, and began to speak of the sun and of all sorts of things. He undertook to prove the doctrine of transubstantiation by the example of an egg, which is converted into a chick, which chick is afterwards eaten by a man. Viret did not think that strange argument deserving of a very grave answer. ‘That proof,’ he said, ‘reverses the order of things. To make it applicable, it would be necessary for the priests to sit on the object transformed, as hens sit on their eggs.’ Blancherose, having offered other instances of the same kind, was invited to carry on the discussion by the Scripture, and not by proofs taken from the sun, which is everywhere at once, from hens, from their eggs changed into chicks, and from chickens which are eaten, and from other natural transformations.