Mr. O’CONNELL. No it was the other way around, Mr. Tavenner. I don’t know when Bob Marshall prepared this will, but I think Mr. Doyle would know about this, Upton Sinclair had his so-called epic movement in California, and there was a lot of discussion of an economy based on production for use rather than for profit and in the first meeting of the trustees that we held there was actually a resolution passed where the rather untenable idea of getting a production-for-use economy in the United States was discussed and it was decided by the trustees that the money should actually be employed to develop as much as we could the organization of trade unions, development and organization of trade unions, organizing of unemployed people, and actually for the development of a cooperation between farmers and workers, farmers and labor, so that instead of having a division of interests as far as they were concerned, and the trustees laid down a rule that with reference to grants, that in order to come within what the trustees considered the provisions of the will as the development of trade unions was concerned, that the grants would have to be made for some trade-union purpose, or development of trade unions, and so on, and that was what was actually done by the trustees. Mr. TAVENNER. Were there occasions when grants were made on that theory--on that principle? Mr. O’CONNELL. On what principle? Mr. TAVENNER. The one you just named. Mr. O’CONNELL. Actually, as far as I can remember--and of course this goes back a long, long time, from 1940 on--I can’t remember all of the organizations but we usually had an annual meeting of the trustees and applications were made to the trustees by practically--I mean just hundreds of organizations around the country that applied to foundations of this kind, and I think, I can’t remember any exceptions, I don’t recall any now. As closely as we could the applications were considered from the point of view that the money was to be applied by the organization to whom it was granted to help the organization and development of trade unions and organizing of unemployed people and particularly the development of a principle of cooperation between farmers and laborers. Mr. TAVENNER. But actually the will did provide for the use of the money for promotion and advancement of an economic system in the United States based upon the theory of production for use?