Mr. O’CONNELL. Of which I was one. All of us exercised I am sure our independent judgment on it. If it were possible to bring them all here, I don’t have them, but there were many instances where the trustees divided, where these grants were made by majority vote rather than by full vote and so on. There are all kinds of situations that exist. But as far as I am concerned, Lem Harris never influenced me to make a grant to the Farmers Union or to any organization. Mr. TAVENNER. Don’t misunderstand me again. My question is broader than the influencing of you. My question is whether or not it influenced the action of the trustees. Mr. O’CONNELL. Of course I don’t know whether Lem Harris went out and met with Jim Patton and Gardner Jackson, who was a trustee. I don’t know whether that actually took place. I don’t know whether he did these other things that are said. I don’t know whether he did them or not, but if he did those things and Jackson was going along then he had some influence and so on. But I think Jim Patton became leader of the National Farmers Union after I left Congress. I never got to know him real well, I think I have been introduced to him maybe once or twice. I know that Jim Patton was displeased with some of my votes on the foundation which were evidently reported to him by Jackson and went to the leadership of the Farmers Union in Montana to try to exercise influence as far as I was concerned in my votes on the foundation. Mr. TAVENNER. Did you have any other groups attempting to influence your judgment or decision in the matter of making grants? Mr. O’CONNELL. Any other groups? Mr. TAVENNER. Yes; or individuals. Mr. O’CONNELL. Well, over the period of years from 1940 on down there were all kinds of grants made and there have been various individuals who have come to me in connection with them. Mr. TAVENNER. And many of those people were leaders in notorious Communist-front organizations; weren’t they? Mr. O’CONNELL. Well, of course I don’t go along with your description of notorious Communist-front organizations. Many of the people came to me and asked me to vote for grants for causes and for principles which I thought were right and which I thought ought to be done, and if they were right in my opinion I thought they were right, I voted for them and if they were not I voted against them. Mr. TAVENNER. Well, for instance, was a grant made of $20,000 to be used in the payment of attorney’s fees for the defense of William Robert Remington? Mr. O’CONNELL. Not by the Marshall Foundation, by the trust funds that I was a trustee of. We certainly made no grant. Mr. TAVENNER. Was any money of the foundation---- Mr. O’CONNELL. I think, isn’t that in connection with the civil-liberties trust? It is not in connection with the trade-union trust. Isn’t that right? Mr. TAVENNER. That was paid out from another fund in the same trust, not from the one in which----