Mr. O’CONNELL. That is right. Mr. TAVENNER. You knew it was a Communist Party school at that time, didn’t you? Mr. O’CONNELL. No; I did not. Mr. TAVENNER. It was cited by the Attorney General Tom Clark, as early as December 4, 1947. You again state you just didn’t pay any attention to that citation by an Attorney General? Mr. O’CONNELL. I don’t recall that it was cited. I don’t remember, but as I said, a citation by the Attorney General or placing it on a list would not be determinative for me as to whether or not it ought to get a grant. Mr. TAVENNER. We have demonstrated in the testimony to you here today that nearly every teacher on the staff was a member of the Communist Party, according to testimony before this committee. We have shown you now the citation of the Attorney General of that school, and we find now that you procured this grant of $4,000. Did you procure any other money for this school besides this grant of $4,000? Mr. O’CONNELL. No; I can’t---- Mr. TAVENNER. Our information is that the total amount advanced to the Pacific Northwest Labor School was $11,500. Mr. O’CONNELL. I thought you meant money outside of the Marshall Foundation. Mr. TAVENNER. No. Mr. O’CONNELL. I am pretty sure grants were made to the Seattle Labor School for 2 or 3 years, I don’t remember which. Mr. TAVENNER. In fact, it would have closed its doors but for the financial assistance given it through you? Mr. O’CONNELL. As a matter of fact, when the last grant was made it had closed its doors and the grant was made to pay up debts and salaries and things of that kind that were--incurred loans. Mr. TAVENNER. Salaries to Communist Party teachers? Mr. O’CONNELL. I don’t know. Daschbach’s salary for one. Mr. TAVENNER. He has been identified by a number of witnesses as an active member of the Communist Party. Mr. O’CONNELL. As far as I was concerned, I didn’t know he was a member of the Communist Party and many of these people I don’t even know that you read today as teachers at that school, I don’t even know. I do know Gundlach, who was a professor at the University of Washington. Whether he is a Communist or not, I don’t know, but---- Mr. TAVENNER. You are not willing to accept the testimony of a Communist Party functionary, the No. 2 person in the Communist Party in the State of Washington, for that? Mr. O’CONNELL. Well, of course, I haven’t had an opportunity to read her testimony. Did she say Gundlach was a Communist? The reason I feel so sure Gundlach isn’t a Communist is when the State un-American activities committee was conducting its investigations out there---- Mr. TAVENNER. I read to you this morning and read into the record the identification of Gundlach as a member of the Communist Party, according to the testimony given this committee and my recollection is that it was Barbara Hartle.