Mr. VELDE. What I am getting at is this: As a Member of Congress, following your defeat as a Member of Congress, you certainly were interested in the committees of Congress, you certainly were interested in what the Attorney General of the United States was doing. It seems to me that you should have been cognizant of the fact that the International Labor Defense was cited as a subversive organization. Mr. O’CONNELL. This is the first time today--no, for instance, this committee had cited the International Labor Defense at that particular date. Now, I learned later---- Mr. VELDE. Now, Mr. O’Connell, there have been a lot of witnesses appear before this committee with a lot less intelligence than you, with a lot less knowledge of political activities of our Government, and, of course, we realize that there were a lot of those people who became involved in the Communist Party and the Communist Party manipulations. But I just cannot understand how you, as a Member of Congress, would not be cognizant of the fact that the International Labor Defense was cited as a subversive organization. I don’t question whether you believed it was, or was not; or whether you believed that the Attorney General or this committee was right. Mr. O’CONNELL. I said that I later knew, but at the particular time involved here, Congressman, it had not been, in my first connection with it, had not been cited by the committee as such. I can’t remember this milk fund in 1940, or whatever it was, but I presume it was to raise funds to provide milk for prisoners, labor prisoners, children of labor prisoners, and so on. I don’t remember specifically about---- Now, as far as my particular situation was concerned, the way I felt about these things, I mean for instance whether it was Mooney or whoever it might have been, I made up my mind so far as my judgment was concerned, what I thought was right and what I thought was wrong. Mr. VELDE. Certainly you have that privilege, as we all do. Mr. O’CONNELL. And I worked to accomplish what I thought was right. Mr. VELDE. I am not questioning your privilege, your right, to make up your own mind. I am questioning the facts, your statement that you did not know. Mr. O’CONNELL. About the best way to explain it to you, I came out of a district, I was born and raised in Butte. Butte is a mining town---- Mr. VELDE. But you had been to Washington, D. C. Even before you ran for Congress you had been here. Mr. O’CONNELL. Yes, I had gone to school here, yes. In that particular day when I went to school here, as I remember, there wasn’t any great discussion about Communists or Socialists or anything of that kind. When I went to school here in that day, I was in the---- Mr. VELDE. Mr. Chairman, I do not see that this argument is getting us anywhere. Mr. O’CONNELL. The biggest thing of interest at that time was Al Smith and Governor Ritchie and other people’s nominations for the Presidency.