“I did not know how to inform him on this question, as to whom he should obey, because the Count himself asked to know whom _God_ wished him to obey. But for myself, I hold and believe that we should obey our Lord the Pope who is in Rome. I told the messenger of the Count some things which are not in this copy; and, if the messenger had not gone off immediately, he would have been thrown into the water—not by me, however. As to the Count’s enquiry, desiring to know whom God wished him to obey, I answered that I did not know; but I sent him messages on several things which have not been put in writing. As for me, I believe in our Lord the Pope who is at Rome.” “Why did you write that you would give an answer elsewhere if you believed in the Pope who is at Rome?” “That answer had reference to other things than the matter of the sovereign Pontiffs.” “Did you say that on the matter of the three sovereign Pontiffs you would have counsel?” “I never wrote nor gave command to write on the matter of the three sovereign Pontiffs.” And this answer she supported by oath. “Are you in the habit of putting the Names ‘Jhesus Maria,’ with a cross, at the top of your letters?” “On some I put it, on others not; sometimes I put a cross as a sign for those of my party to whom I wrote so that they should not do as the letters said.” Here a letter was read from Jeanne to our Lord the King, to the Duke of Bedford, and others, of the following tenour:— “_Jhesus Maria._