_Q._ But you demanded and took Colonel Washington's silver and watch? _A._ Yes; we intended freely to appropriate the property of slave-holders to carry out our object. It was for that, and only that, and with no design to enrich ourselves with any plunder whatever. _Bystander._ Did you know Sherrod in Kansas? I understand you killed him. _Brown._ I killed no man except in fair fight. I fought at Black Jack Point and at Osawatomie; and if I killed anybody, it was at one of these places. Mr. Sanborn publishes a conversation that Brown had with his jailer concerning his interview with Governor Wise.[390] "'A Virginian,'" he says, "gives me this addition to Brown's conversation with Wise": _Jailer._ I see in the papers that you told Governor Wise you had promises of aid from Virginia, Tennessee, and the Carolinas. Is that true, or did you make it up to "rile" the old Governor? _Brown._ No; I did not tell Wise that. _Jailer._ What did you tell him that could have made that impression on his mind? _Brown._ Wise said something about fanaticism, and intimated that no man in full possession of his senses could have expected to overcome a State with such a handful of men as I had, backed only by struggling negroes; and I replied that I had promises of ample assistance, and would have received it too if I could only have set the ball in motion. He then asked suddenly in a harsh voice, as you've seen lawyers snap up a witness: "Assistance! From what State, sir?" I was not thrown off my guard, and replied: "From more than you'd believe if I should name them all; but I _expected_ more from Virginia, Tennessee, and the Carolinas than from any others." _Jailer._ You "expected" it. You did not say it was promised from the States named? _Brown._ No; I knew, of course, that the negroes would rally to my standard. If I had only got the thing fairly started, you Virginians would have seen sights that would have opened your eyes; and I tell you if I was free this moment, and had five hundred negroes around me, I would put these irons on Wise himself before Saturday night. _Jailer_. Then it was true about aid being promised? What States promised it? _Brown (with a laugh)._ Well, you are about as smart a man as Wise, and I'll give you the same answer I gave him. A reporter for the New York _Herald_ who was present said of Brown:[391] "He converses freely, fluently and cheerfully, without the slightest manifestation of fear or uneasiness, evidently weighing well his words, and possessing a good command of language. His manner is courteous and affable, while he appears to be making a favorable impression upon his auditory."