In grafting I always try to get the cuts as smooth as possible and to make them in one cut, because if you make a second cut you are bound to make some unevenness in it. These cambium layers have to fit right up flush with the edge of the bark. Then we usually wrap them in raffia. We used also what Professor Lake called a bark graft. We got about 10 per cent of those to live. We had better success with the cleft graft and the side graft. In cutting the scion for this side graft I usually cut one side a little longer than I do the other which makes the scion lie closer to the stock. We leave the top on. You can put several on each of those stocks. We were pretty successful with that sort of a graft. For my own personal use, I like this graft for walnuts, and I think we will eventually have better success with that than with any other type. We put the majority of the grafts in I think about the latter part of June or July. I have been afraid to cut the top off before the scion has started to grow. There is too great a flow of sap for the small scion to take up and as a consequence it drowns out the scion. PROFESSOR SMITH: How far toward the center did you make the cut? MR. RHODES: About two-thirds of the way through. THE CHAIRMAN: You go past the middle? MR. RHODES: Yes. The only thing you have to be careful of is not to cut too far, as then there is danger of breaking off. MR. JONES: Do you have any particular length for the cut on the scion? MR. RHODES: No. A great deal depends on the cut you make into the stock. I don't like to cut the scion any further up than the depth we go into the stock wood. MR. JONES: Any other rule? MR. RHODES: No, it all depends on the size of the stock. If you get a large stock you can cut it larger. THE CHAIRMAN: We thank you for these explanations. Mr. Rush is an experienced propagator of walnuts and pecans and I want to give him some time to show his methods. I will ask Mr. Rush to give his demonstration. MR. RUSH: I am very glad to show you some of my methods. The only difference between mine and Mr. Hutt's is that he is right-handed and I am left-handed. The propagation of the Persian walnut may be divided into three divisions, the preparative, the operative and the nursery, and one is as important as the other. Good wood, good weather conditions, good technique and after this you must nurse them. (Mr. Rush gives demonstration of budding.) THE CHAIRMAN: This is the method I outlined yesterday, but I think Mr. Rush has it better in his hands than I have in my head. MR. RUSH: It is practically the same. I have a good knife with two parallel blades that can be taken off, and put on the grindstone, and got as sharp as a razor. For some things I use a surgeon's knife. THE CHAIRMAN: We have with us another very expert propagator from a little farther south. I am going to ask Mr. Wiggins to give us the benefit of his observations along this line.