Notes and Queries, Number 169, January 22, 1853: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.Various
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Notes and Queries, Number 169, January 22, 1853: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.
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I was preparing to answer your correspondent E. S. TAYLOR by a reference to
the conversation between Gurth and Wamba, _Ivanhoe_, chap. i., when a
friend promised to supply me with some additional and fuller information. I
copy from a MS. note that he has placed in my hands:
"Nec quidem temerè contigisse puto quod animalia viva nominibus
Germanicæ originis vocemus, quorum tamen carnem in cibum paratam
originis Gallicæ nominibus appellamus; puta,--bovem, vaccam, vitulum,
ovem, porcum, aprum, feram, etc. (an ox, a cow, a calf, a sheep, a hog,
a boar, a deer, &c.); sed carnem bubulam, vitulinam, ovinam, porcinam,
aprugnam, ferinam, etc. (beef, veal, mutton, pork, brawn, venison, &c.)
Sed hinc id ortum putaverim, quod Normanni milites pascuis, caulis,
haris, locisque quibus vivorum animalium cura agebatur, parcius se
immiscuerint[8] (quæ itaque antiqua nomina retinuerunt) quam macellis,
culinis, mensis, epulis, ubi vel parabantur vel habebantur cibi, qui
itaque nova nomina ab illis sunt adepti."--Preface to Dr. Wallis's
_Grammatica Linguæ Anglicanæ_, 1653, quoted by Winning, _Comparative
Philology_, p. 270.
C. FORBES.
Temple.
[Footnote 8: "immiscuerint" corrected from "immiscuerunt" by erratum in
Issue 170.--Transcriber.]
If your correspondent E. S. TAYLOR will refer to the romance of _Ivanhoe_,
he will find in the first chapter a dialogue between Wamba the son of
Witless, and Gurth the son of Beowulph, wherein the subject is fully
discussed as to the change of names consequent on the transmutation of live
stock, under the charge of Saxon herdsmen, into materials for satisfying
the heroic appetites of their Norman rulers. It would be interesting to
know the source from whence Sir Walter Scott derived his ideas on this
subject: whether from some previous writer, or "some odd corner of the
brain."
A. R. X.
Paisley.
See Trench _On Study of Words_ (3rd edit.), p. 65.
P. J. F. GANTILLON, B.A.
MR. TAYLOR will find in Pegge's _Anonymiana_, Cent. i. 38., and Cent. vii.
95., allusion to what he inquires after.
THOS. LAWRENCE.
* * * * *
GOLDSMITHS' YEAR-MARKS.
(Vol. vi., p. 604.)
In answer to MR. LIVETT'S Query, as to the marks or letters employed by the
Goldsmiths' Company to denote the year in which the plate was
"hall-marked," I subjoin a list of such as I am acquainted with, and which
might with a little trouble be traced to an earlier period: I have also
added a few notes relating to the subject generally, which may interest
many of your readers.
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