Notes and Queries, Number 198, August 13, 1853: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Geneologists, etc.Various
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Notes and Queries, Number 198, August 13, 1853: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Geneologists, etc.
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As a proof, _quantum valeat_, that the _Castle fogies_ were so called for
some other reason than merely because of their being "old folks," I may
mention that there was in Edinburgh, for more than a century, another
body of veterans, called the Town Guard, or City Guard, maintained by the
magistrates as a sort of military police, or gendarmerie, and finally
disbanded in 1817. This corps was generally recruited from old soldiers;
and during the period of my acquaintance with them (9½ years) they were
all aged, and some of them very old men; yet I never heard the word
_fogies_ applied to them. On the contrary, they were always distinguished
from the fogies by the elegant appellation of the "Toon Rottens," or Town
Rats, as well as by their facings, which were _dark blue_. Some, indeed,
of my younger friends, who remember the "Rats" very well, say they never
heard of the "Fogies" at all; only one of them, who lived when a boy at
the Castle Hill, perhaps about forty years ago, recollects of the word
"fogie" as being then applied to the soldiers of the ordinary veteran or
garrison battalions, with blue facings, that had superseded the fogies in
the keeping of the Castle; but of the veritable apple-green fogies of the
older establishment, he has no remembrance. As my own recollections of
Edinburgh go back to 1808, the fogies, I presume, must have been by that
time extinct, for I never saw any of them, though I frequently heard them
spoken of by those who had seen them.
I may mention also that while "fogie" was in use, and of well understood
application in Scotland, {155} the phrase "old folks," or, to write it
according to our vernacular pronunciation, "auld fo'k," was also, and
continues to be, in general and familiar use; but nobody in Scotland, I
dare say, ever imagined that "the auld fo'k" of his ordinary acquaintance
were just "old fogies," or had anything whatever to do with that peculiar
class of men, properly so called, the keepers of the royal castles. It
is most remarkable, also, that while the corrupt derivative, as MR.
KEIGHTLEY says "old fogie" is, has been almost quite forgotten among us,
having disappeared with the men that bore the name of fogies, the parent
form, as he would have "old folks" or "auld fo'k" to be, should remain
in full vigour and common use, as part of our living speech. In a word,
from all I can learn it would appear that the word "fogie," in its most
general acceptation, means by itself, without the "old," an old soldier;
and that "old fogie" is only a tautological form, arising from ignorance
of its meaning. Be its origin, however, what it may, I have no hesitation
now in expressing my conviction that MR. KEIGHTLEY'S etymology of the
word is utterly groundless.
J. L.
City Chambers, Edinburgh.
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DESCENDANTS OF JOHN OF GAUNT.
(Vol. vii., p. 628.)
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