Notes and Queries, Vol. IV, Number 102, October 11, 1851: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc. — John Shaqi
Notes and Queries, Vol. IV, Number 102, October 11, 1851: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.Various
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Notes and Queries, Vol. IV, Number 102, October 11, 1851: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.
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I am surprised that your correspondent T. W. should find any difficulty
in the passage he quotes from _Childe Harold_:
"Thy waters wasted them while they were free,
And many a tyrant (_has wasted them_) since."
This mode of expression is only faulty when ambiguous; but here of
ambiguity there is none.
SAMUEL HICKSON.
THE THREE ESTATES OF THE REALM.
(Vol. iv., pp. 115. 196.)
As CANONICUS EBORACENSIS considers that I have "not exactly hit the
mark" in inferring that "the Lords, the Clergy _in Convocation_, and the
Commons" are the "Three Estates of England" named in the Gunpowder
Treason Service, I would claim, being not yet altogether convinced by
CANON. EBOR.'S arguments that such is the case, a share of your space
for discussing a question which must certainly be interesting to all who
uphold "our Constitution in Church and State." My apology for prolixity
must be, that having but just received "NOTES AND QUERIES" I have not
had time to study brevity.
The passages, which contain the expressions referred to in the Service,
are as under:--
"We yield Thee our unfeigned thanks and praise for the wonderful
and mighty deliverance of our gracious Sovereign King James the
First, the Queen, the Prince, and all the royal branches, _with
the Nobility, Clergy, and Commons of England_, then assembled in
Parliament, by popish treachery appointed as sheep to the
slaughter, in a most barbarous and savage manner, beyond the
examples of former ages."--The First Collect at Morning Prayer.
"By discovering and confounding their horrible and wicked
enterprise, plotted and intended this day to have been executed
against the King _and the whole State of England_, for the
subversion of the government and religion established among
us."--The Litany.
"Acknowledging Thy power, wisdom, and goodness in preserving the
King, _and the Three Estates of the Realm of England_, assembled
in Parliament, from the destruction this day intended against
them."--The Communion Service.
"Who on this day didst miraculously preserve _our Church and
State_ from the secret contrivance and hellish malice of popish
conspirators."--After the Prayer for the Church Militant.
CANON. EBOR. asserts that these Three Estates (the word "estates" being
used of course in its second intention, as meaning the representatives,
and not the orders _en masse_) are "the Lords Spiritual," "the Lords
Temporal," and "the Commons," representing severally the clergy, the
nobility, and the commonality. As "the Lords Spiritual" are always
placed before "the Lords Temporal," he is obliged to rank _the clergy_
before _the nobility_ in spite of the order of precedency observed in
the Collect. This seems to show that the clergy are not represented by
the bishops. And in the Coronation Oath they are separately specified:
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