The next evidence was Margaret Phillips, an experienced nurse, who stated “Her lodgings and services were engaged by Dr. Bell, and that the deceased was placed under her care, on the 11th of February—she was present when Dr. Bell sounded him for stone, which was done in the presence of Mr. Webber. The instruments he used with considerable force, but he could not succeed in passing them. The poor man suffered very much, which no doubt induced Mr. Webber to call out “That’s not my way of sounding, let me try.” But Dr. Bell refused. He jumped up and getting another sound, attempted to pass it with no better success. I called out “Dr. Bell, the instrument is cold, for God’s sake have some hot water, and oil it well,” for previously he had only oiled it slightly. He took my advice, he used another instrument, and applying considerable force, he passed it through, and during the time the patient suddenly called out “I feel it go through somewhere, it hurts me dreadfully.” After this, Dr. Bell said to Mr. Webber “do you try,” which Mir; Webber did, but observing “I prefer my own sound,” which he, without difficulty, immediately passed. I saw some blood escape, not much, immediately after Dr. Bell withdrew his instrument. “Shortly after the deceased went out to see about his linen which was left at the public house where the conveyance stopped, that had brought him to Norwich. This was a short distance from my house, and soon returning, the deceased observed that he was in dreadful pain, had been losing a deal of blood, and on calling for a vessel, the blood came from him in a stream. He continued to bleed some time, and becoming alarmed, I called upon Dr. Bell to come to Swann’s assistance. He quickly attended, and soon after the bleeding ceased. From that time the deceased continued to be a great sufferer, and on Dr. Bell visiting him _three_ days after, I said to him privately, I am sure you have injured that poor man, I never saw a man lose so much blood before from sounding, nor yet complain of so much suffering. Dr. Bell inquired of the deceased “whether it was Mr. Webber or him that hurt him,” he said “you, sir!” Dr. Bell then asked “are you sure it was not the other gentleman,” the deceased said “No—it was you, I did not feel Mr. Webber’s instrument pass, he gave me no pain.” Dr. Bell continued to attend him a fortnight or three weeks, she could not recollect which. No other medical man attended during this time, but the poor man getting worse and worse, Dr. Bell brought Mr. Webber again to see him. They did not agree as to their treatment of him, Mr. Webber suggested one course, but Dr. Bell refused to do so. They left my house, and I do not know what passed, but Dr. Bell shortly after returned, and said “Nurse, at your peril you are not to suffer any medical man to interfere, he is not to take any thing except from me, as Mrs. Shirley said he was to be entirely under my care.” I said “of course Dr.