Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates, 3rd ed. Volume 3 — John Shaqi
Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates, 3rd ed. Volume 3Grote, George
Philosophy
Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates, 3rd ed. Volume 3
Grote, George
Philosophy, Ancient; Plato; Socrates, 470 BC-399 BC
Difficulties about Unum et Multa. How can the One be Many? How can
the Many be One? The difficulties are greatest about Generic
Unity--how it is distributed among species and individuals _ib._
Active disputes upon this question at the time 340
Order of Nature--Coalescence of the Finite with the Infinite. The
One--The Finite Many--The Infinite Many _ib._
Mistake commonly made--To look only for the One, and the Infinite
Many, without looking for the intermediate subdivisions 341
Illustration from Speech and Music 342
Plato's explanation does not touch the difficulties which he had
himself recognised as existing 343
It is nevertheless instructive, in regard to logical division and
classification 344
At that time little thought had been bestowed upon classification
as a logical process _ib._
Classification--unconscious and conscious 345
Plato's doctrine about classification is not necessarily connected
with his Theory of Ideas _ib._
Quadruple distribution of Existences. 1. The Infinite. 2. The
Finient 3. Product of the two former. 4. Combining Cause or Agency
346
Pleasure and Pain belong to the first of these four
Classes--Cognition or Intelligence belongs to the fourth 347
In the combination, essential to Good, of Intelligence with
Pleasure, Intelligence is the more important of the two
constituents _ib._
Intelligence is the regulating principle--Pleasure is the
Indeterminate, requiring to be regulated 348
Pleasure and Pain must be explained together--Pain arises from the
disturbance of the fundamental harmony of the system--Pleasure
from the restoration of it _ib._
Pleasure presupposes Pain 349
Derivative pleasures of memory and expectation belonging to mind
alone. Here you may find pleasure without pain _ib._
A life of Intelligence alone, without pain and without pleasure,
is conceivable. Some may prefer it: at any rate it is second-best
_ib._
Desire belongs to the mind, presupposes both a bodily want, and
the memory of satisfaction previously had for it. The mind and
body are here opposed. No true or pure pleasure therein 350
Can pleasures be true or false? Sokrates maintains that they are
so 351
Reasons given by Sokrates. Pleasures attached to true opinions,
are true pleasures. The just man is favoured by the Gods, and will
have true visions sent to him _ib._
Protarchus disputes this--He thinks that there are some pleasures
bad, but none false--Sokrates does not admit this, but reserves
the question 352
No means of truly estimating pleasures and pains--False estimate
habitual--These are the false pleasures _ib._
Much of what is called pleasure is false. Gentle and gradual
changes do not force themselves upon our notice either as pleasure
or pain. Absence of pain not the same as pleasure 353
Opinion of the pleasure-hating philosophers--That pleasure is no
reality, but a mere juggle. There is no reality except pain, and
the relief from pain 354
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