One of the strongest arguments of the hearings, because of the experience which he has had as a postal official, was made by Mr. W. S. Shallenberger, who had served several years in Congress as a member of the Committee on Postoffice and Postroads. Mr. Shallenberger was for a number of years Second Assistant Postmaster General, and now represents the Interdenominational Publishers who issue Sunday school literature throughout the United States. This witness gave it as his opinion that an increase in the rate on second-class matter would cause magazines and newspapers to avail themselves of the facilities now offered by the express companies which are becoming active competitors of the government in transporting second-class matter, these corporations obtaining better rates from the railroads than is given to the government. Mr. Shallenberger expressed the view that since every civilized nation was cheapening the cost of postal service the fact that our country was seeking to increase the rate seemed to be reactionary. Mr. Shallenberger served under six Postmaster Generals and all of these held that the government was carrying second-class matter at a loss. But his opinion was that there was a substantial profit in the present rate, at the same time condemning the idea that each particular schedule should be made to pay its own way, the stimulus toward encouraging other schedule receipts not being given its proper consideration. Mr. Shallenberger gave a hint concerning hidden influences seeking to have the second-class rate increased but did not enter deeply into this phase of the subject. The controversy between Mr. Shallenberger and Second Assistant Stewart was animated and prolonged, and touched on features connected with the compensation paid railroads for hauling the mail, the express companies getting better terms than the government, this statement being made by a representative of the Postal Progress League. The strongest point the publishing interests made was when the superintendent of the railway mail service, Chas. H. McBride, testified that a considerable part of the estimate upon which the department’s figures are based is guesswork and assumption, he admitting that if this were so the result would not be greatly different from what the officials first claimed. On the whole Superintendent McBride’s testimony was calculated to show that the Postoffice Department was desirous of making out a case against the second-class schedule, however necessary it was to twist figures and conceal facts in order to do so.