A. I cannot tell who they were. Q. Did you go to see? A. I didn't go near enough to recognize any of them. By Senator Reyburn: Q. From their appearance could you form any idea as to whether they were railroad men or not? A. I could not tell. Q. Was there nothing to distinguish them? A. No. Q. Who was engaged in firing the cars at that time? A. I cannot tell that. Q. Were they setting the cars on fire with torches and fire brands? A. Yes. Wherever there was a gap they would carry the fire over the gap to the next place. Q. Did you make any effort to see who those men were? A. I could not tell who they were. By Mr. Larrabee: Q. What kind of men were they? A. They were rough looking men. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. How near did you go? A. I was a hundred feet or so from them. I heard that detectives were there. Some of them told me, in fact, that they understood detectives were among them watching them. Q. Did you see any of your men among the crowd on Sunday morning? A. No; I did not. Adjourned to meet at three o'clock, P.M. SAME DAY. ORPHAN'S COURT ROOM, PITTSBURGH, FRIDAY, _February 8, 1878_--3 P.M. Pursuant to adjournment, the committee re-assembled at three, P.M., this day, and continued the taking of testimony. The first witness examined was * * * * * William Ryan, _sworn with uplifted hand_: By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Where do you reside? A. In the Fifteenth ward of the city of Pittsburgh. Q. Are you in the employ of the Pennsylvania Railroad Company? A. Yes. Q. How long have you been in their employ, and in what capacity? A. I cannot state the precise date when I entered the service of the company; but I judge it is between eight and ten years. Q. In what capacity were you employed in July last? A. As freight conductor. Q. Between what points? A. Pittsburgh and Derry, or between Pittsburgh and Conemaugh. Q. You were a conductor on trains that ran double-headers? A. Yes. Q. How long have you been running on trains that run in that way? A. I cannot tell the length of time precisely, but I was running them from the time they started--that is, from the time they started to run through freight as double. Q. About how long? A. I cannot tell. Q. Two or three years? A. I hardly fancy it could be that long. I should say a year. Q. Were you at the depot or about the depot on the morning of the 19th--Thursday morning? A. Yes. Q. Was that your morning for going out as conductor of the train? A. It was my train that should have started out. It was my morning. Q. What was your time for going out? A. If I recollect right, it was eight-forty. Q. Did you start that morning or make any attempt to start?