A. Not that particular strike. I understood a month or so before, that the Trainmen's Union had organized a strike for a certain time, but I don't remember the day or date. I know there was such talk among the men, that there would be a strike that day among the brakemen and conductors. There was nothing of the kind among the engineers, that I know of, because had the engineers held meetings at other places, I would have heard them speak of it. Previous to that time there was nothing among the engineers and firemen; but, the day passed over, and there was no strike; and, of this strike on Thursday, the 19th, I heard nothing of it--I knew nothing of it, and our crew knew nothing of it--at least they said nothing to me, and it appeared to be a surprise to them when we came in. Railroad men sometimes are very communicative; they generally let one know, directly or indirectly, what is in the wind. They generally know one among the other. Q. Had they any secret organization? A. I don't know what this Trainmen's Union is. It was a new thing to me. I heard of it, that is all. I believe that such an organization existed, and had for some time. Q. Do you know the objects of the organization? A. I don't really know--I never heard particularly--only from the talk of the men It was kind of protective or like all labor organizations--something of that kind--to unite the men together, and get them to act in unity. By Senator Reyburn: Q. Was it of a beneficial character? A. No. Q. It was not like the engineers' organization. A. No. By Senator Yutzy: Q. It had no connection with it? A. No. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. I suppose it is secret? A. I think it is. By Senator Yutzy: Q. At the meeting you spoke of, did the engineers and firemen agree to go into that union? A. I understood so, but I don't know it. Q. Do you know whether the Engineers' Brotherhood assisted or encouraged this strike of the Trainmen's Union? A. I don't know that they did. If they did, they violated their obligations. They might have been in sympathy. Q. They took no formal action in the matter? A. No; not up to that time. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. You have stated that the strike was commenced by one man refusing to go out? A. As far as I understand. Q. At what time was the first effort made to prevent men from going out who were willing to go? A. As far as I know--I was out on the road at that time that this refusal was made--that occurred sometime about eight o'clock in the morning. I left Pittsburgh at seven-twenty, and didn't get back until eleven o'clock. What transpired in the meantime, I cannot tell you. I know nothing about it, only from hearsay. Q. Do you know, of your own knowledge, whether it was discharged men or men in the employ of the company who would prevent others from going out, either by persuasion or by force?