A. I don't know that. I know that sometime in the afternoon, when that attempt was made at three o'clock, or thereabouts, there were employés and non-employés among the party. By Senator Yutzy: Q. And some of them had been in the service of the company and discharged? A. Yes; and some that had never been in the service. By Senator Reyburn: Q. Did you hear any talk about men coming from a distance? A. It was generally supposed--at the time of the fire and riot, I was at Union Depot, and I saw them carrying off goods--hauling them off by wagon loads and wheelbarrow loads--men, women, and children--it was generally supposed that all the thieves that could get here in two days, from all the country around, had got here; and I suppose, everybody thought that the property had better be carried off than be burned. Q. Can you give the name of the flagman who first refused to go out? A. No. By Mr. Larrabee: Q. Do you know whether the strike was confined to freight men entirely? A. I think so; although some of the passenger men may have been in sympathy with them. William Ryan, recalled: By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Please state whether it was discharged men, or whether it was men who were then in the employ of the railroad company who first prevented the trains from going out, either by persuasion or by interference? A. As far as I could see it was men still in the employ of the company. On the morning that this occurred they conversed about it. I suppose in that way they persuaded them not to go out. Q. Was it known then what men would be discharged under this order? A. No, sir; it was a mystery to all. Q. Can you give us the name of the flagman who refused to go out first? A. Harris, his name was. I gave his name in as Gus. Whether it was proper or not, I don't know. * * * * * John Alexander, _sworn with the uplifted hand_: By Mr. Lindsey: Q. What is your occupation? A. I am an engineer. Q. In whose employ were you in July last? A. In the employ of the Pennsylvania Railroad Company. Q. As a freight engineer? A. As a passenger engineer. Q. On what train? A. On the Walls accommodation. Q. At what hours did you leave the Union depot? A. In the morning, on the first trip, at six-twenty, and on the last trip leaving Pittsburgh, at five-twenty. Q. What time did you arrive at Pittsburgh in the morning? A. Eight-twenty-five. Q. State whether you were interfered with on the morning of July 19? A. I was not. Q. When did you first learn there was any disturbance among the men? A. About four o'clock that afternoon. Q. How did you learn it? A. I was coming down to go out on the five-twenty trip, and when I came to the round-house, above Twenty-eighth street, I saw a crowd of boys there. I asked what was going on--I asked somebody that I was acquainted with, and was told that the freight men were on a strike. That was, as near as I can tell, about four o'clock.