Q. Yes? A. Well, the crowd on the street was not so unruly as those on the railroad. Q. But Sixteenth street runs up to the railroad. Now, could you not have formed the men at Sixteenth street and thrown them across the railroad, with one wing running out towards the hill, and then have kept the crowd back? A. No; because you could not have got the mob together at any one point--because the mob most all the time extended five hundred or six hundred yards. Q. To what point did the mob extend, coming towards the city? A. Nearly into Union depot. Q. Then could you not have formed at Union depot and kept them back? A. It would have taken a great many more men than that. By Senator Reyburn: Q. Was any effort made at all to get control of this crowd at any time during the disturbance? A. Yes. Q. With your fifteen or sixteen men, you mean? A. Sometimes we had twenty--all the men we had, or that could be got together--perhaps, sometimes, twenty-five or thirty men. They would be getting in among the mob and trying to drive them back. Q. Had the police authorities no organization or no arrangement to keep the crowd from coming, or did they allow people to come from all directions when they knew a disturbance of this kind was going on--did you have any organization at all? A. Not a very good organization. The men went out there in the morning, and they had been up all night, and they were tired, and it would have been impossible to keep the crowd back. They flocked in from all parts of the city, and from the country for miles around. By Mr. Englebert: Q. In other words, you really had not any organization of the police force? A. When I went up there, our men were scattered. I took them on the railroad several times, but was unable to do any good. I took them on the railroad in a body, but they could not be kept there any time without being separated. By Senator Yutzy: Q. Was any effort made to make any arrests, during this disturbance, of parties engaged in the riot? A. On Sunday morning, we arrested about one hundred and thirty--that was the beginning of the fire--when they began to pillage the freight cars. Q. Did you arrest any of the parties that were pillaging? A. We arrested them coming away with goods. Q. What did you do with them? A. We brought them down in the morning, in the "black maria," to the Central station, but Deputy Mayor Butler, I believe, discharged most of them, and fined some of them. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Do you know how many were fined? A. I cannot tell. I did not stay to the hearing myself. Q. What is Mr. Butler's first name? A. Joseph. By Senator Reyburn: Q. Your people took these men up, going away with goods? A. Yes. We put them in the Twelfth Ward station, and then put them in the "black maria," and brought them to the Central station, and heard them there. Mayor McCarthy was up all night, and he was tired, and he deputized Deputy Mayor Butler to hear them.