A. I am positive of it--at least the message I received bore nearly about the same words, but not just in that way. Q. That, of course, was a grievance? A. Yes. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Did your Trainmen's Union include the employés of the Baltimore and Ohio road? A. Yes. Q. Was that strike in pursuance of an arrangement made in your union? A. Not to my knowledge. Q. Was that formally communicated to your union here--the strike that occurred there? A. No; nothing more than hearsay on the street. Q. Did the members of your union make any effort to have those parties disperse and go to their homes during Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? A. Not that I know of--no more than I did myself. Q. What did you do in relation to it? A. I did take some men out of the crowd at Twenty-eighth street, men that belonged to the Pan-Handle road. At Twenty-eighth street, that day, I was met by this Watt. He says to me, I want you to leave this property. Watt was the man; but I didn't know him only by sight. I thought, of course, he was an employé of the company. He said, I want you to leave the company's ground, and I asked him who he was. He replied that it didn't make any difference who he was, that he knew who I was, and my motive for being there. I said if he knew my motive he knew my business better than I did, for I hardly knew myself what I was there for. And after trying to give me a bluff, as I call it, that he was Mr. Watt, and employed by the road, I went up towards Twenty-eighth street, and there understood that they were going to send for what they called the Pan Handle roughs to head this trouble. I knew the great majority of those men--between eighty and a hundred of them were discharged off the Pan Handle road, and had been discharged prior to this strike. The majority of them were in town; some had left town; but a great many of them were here, and they were pretty lucky if they could get one meal a day. I didn't want to see any of them get into further trouble, and when I heard this I was afraid that some of those men would enter into this thing through persuasion. I went to them singly, and took some half a dozen out of the crowd, one at a time, and told them not to have anything to do with the affair. I said, I have been discharged from the Pan Handle, and you, and there will be nothing in this of any benefit at all. I took out six or eight men from different parties that had belonged to the Pan Handle railroad. By Senator Reyburn: Q. What did they mean by sending for the Pan Handle roughs? A. They thought that a few men of that road were rougher than anybody else, or had more pluck. I don't know--it was a rumor I heard. By Mr. Means: Q. Those men you spoke to went with you willingly out of the crowd? A. Yes. By Senator Reyburn: Q. Were you on the ground of the Pennsylvania railroad, or on public ground?