A. It was on their ground. I was walking right up the track. After this man was going to bounce me, I walked up to Twenty-eighth street, and I told him I thought I would have the privilege of standing there on the street. By Senator Yutzy: Q. What do you mean by bouncing you? A. Why, if I had weakened a little, I suppose he would have thrown me off. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Were you there during the day, Sunday? A. I was not. I was not on the ground at all after Saturday evening--after one of our engineers was wounded very badly. I helped to carry him up Liberty street on a shutter. I was not on the ground afterwards. Q. Did you see any considerable number of the Pan-Handle men or employés in the crowd? A. Not a great many. Q. Who seemed to be the leaders of the crowd? A. That is more than I can tell you. Q. What business are you engaged in now? A. Not any. Q. Do you reside in the city? A. Yes. Q. You are still out of employment? A. Yes; and likely to remain out so long as some of these men hold their positions on the roads. By Mr. Larrabee: Q. What position did you hold in this organization? A. I was the president. Q. You know nothing of this organization being in existence at that time on any roads except those that ran out of Pittsburgh? A. At which time? Q. At the time the strike was contemplated, in June? A. They might have been contemplating such a thing, but the organization at that time, in June, was not so extensive as it got to be afterwards. Q. Then it did increase afterwards and extend? A. Yes. Q. Do you know whether it did exist on other roads in June? A. I don't know. Q. You think it started here and spread? A. Yes. By Senator Yutzy: Q. You say it started here? A. Yes; I believe so. It was first organized here. By Mr. Larrabee: Q. Were you here at its birth? A. Yes; and I have no objection either as to being at the first meeting. By Senator Reyburn: Q. Was it beneficial? A. It had not got that far along, but it would have been, probably. By Senator Yutzy: Q. Was it the object of this organization to control the railroad companies, as to wages and running regulations? A. The object, no doubt, of the organization was to protect themselves, no matter what grievances might be brought up, if based on good authority. The union would attend to them in its own way, whatever it might be. Q. In what way did they propose to protect themselves? A. That would have to be brought up before the order before they could tell that. By Mr. Larrabee: Q. Then there was no definite plan by which the railroad companies were to be controlled or coerced into coming to terms with the union? A. No. Q. That was left to be determined as circumstances might arise? A. That is it exactly. By Mr. Means: Q. You said, a while ago, that this last meeting you spoke of was not regularly called? A. No. Q. You would have been the proper person to call it? A. Yes.