Q. Not many of the crowd were there at that time? A. No. Q. Was any burning going on at that time? A. I saw the first car fired to drive the Philadelphia troops out. It was a car on the Valley track. It was set on fire, and a wheel of it was chocked. They dropped other cars down against it, and they caught on fire, until it got pretty hot. But this carpenter-shop didn't take fire for some time. I helped to shove some cars away back from the entrance leading in between the round-house and the carpenter-shop. Those cars didn't catch on fire. Q. They kept dropping those cars down all night? A. Yes. Q. Did they remain near the round-house? A. They kept back towards Twenty-seventh street. They had a gun there. A man named Stewart I saw carried away from there dead. He was apparently a railroader. He had a watch with that name on it. I went to see the gun, and if they had ever fired it, it never would have hurt anybody in the round-house--if they had ever fired it. The wall is too high there. Q. What was it that caused that crowd to be scattered? Was it fear of fire from the soldiers? A. I reckon that was it. Q. After the soldiers got away, did the crowd re-assemble? A. No; not there. Q. Were the burning cars below there? A. Yes. Q. They were still going on down with the burning and the pillaging? A. Yes. Q. They marched in regular order--the troops you saw? A. In every good order. Q. Suppose they had formed in line, at that time, and marched on the crowd what would have been the effect? A. They would have got the best of the crowd because I didn't see many around there. Q. Could they have driven the crowd away from the burning cars? A. I think they could. By Senator Reyburn: Q. And restored order? A. I don't know about that. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Who directed you to go out there first? A. The mayor--to the best of my knowledge and belief. Q. Did you have anybody with you? A. No. Q. Did you see the mayor before going? A. I saw him that day before going. Q. Where? A. At the city hall, in his office. Q. Were you on regular duty that day? A. I was on other duty that day--I was on a little special duty that day, but was detailed and sent to where this trouble was supposed to be. I was to meet the men where I was going. About this Officer Motts. On Saturday night the mayor was in the Twelfth ward, and shortly after I went there I saw him there, and on Sunday morning. On Sunday he was on the railroad. I was standing alone, and he came to me and said to me, for God's sake get some men, you can stop them from breaking into these cars. I went towards the crowd, but there was no use for one man--but I did. They then commenced to hurl stones. By Senator Reyburn: Q. What was the crowd--boys? A. Yes; and some men were among them. They were all getting pretty drunk then. Q. You say the mayor was there attending to his duties?