A. Yes; using all the efforts he could to stop the riot; but we could not get the men together. Our force had been cut down, and it was impossible to get the men together. I asked men to stand alongside of me, but as soon as you would turn your head around again they were gone. In relation to Johnston and Bown's gun shops--I was at both places. At Johnston's, a demand was made for guns, and they gave them some muskets. I don't think that Johnston's was broke in. By Senator Reyburn: Q. They gave them? A. That was what was said. I know I took a musket with a bayonet on from a fellow, and gave it back to the store. I was sent by the mayor's clerk to Bown's--some eight of us--but there were no uniformed men among us; we were in citizen's clothes. It was a hard matter to tell what they wanted; but eight of us went there at the time. Then this party came along Wood street, and they had a drum with them, and some of them had muskets with bayonets on, and others had revolvers, and others, what I took to be a large rammer, and they commenced ramming against the door. Officer Downey was one of the first officers to the store. I got in with him. They were then carrying out the stuff, and we took several guns from them and handed them back. They were still carrying out the stuff, and it was impossible to prevent them breaking in, because the force was not strong enough. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Were you armed? A. No; no more than we usually carried--our pocket revolvers. Q. Had you maces? A. The men that were there were not in the habit of carrying maces. I suppose they had billies and revolvers. The proper course to save Bown's store would have been to let eight or nine men get in there and arm them, and then keep them out there. By Senator Reyburn: Q. Did this crowd seem to be bent on plunder? A. Principally on plunder; I don't think that many of those guns taken out there ever went into the riot. Q. Did they carry off pretty much everything? A. Yes; according to the looks of the shelves and show cases. There were a couple of men arrested for stealing from that establishment, that are now doing terms in the western penitentiary. By Mr. Englebert: Q. Did you recognize them as any particular class of men? A. I did not; their faces to me were apparently strange--they apparently looked like workingmen. A great many thieves were among them, and some, I know, have had to leave the city since, or we would have had them. Q. You don't know where they were from? A. Those I speak of? Q. Yes? A. I do; yes, from Pittsburgh. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. They have left the city entirely? A. Yes. Q. You were about the city a good deal attending to your duties, and you know a large part of the population? A. I do. Q. That crowd of men that went out there on Saturday and Sunday--was the crowd composed of men about the city? A. No; they were pretty much all strangers; the biggest portion of them were strange men.