A. The offices that stood between were certainly on fire, because I worked that stream myself, and the heat got so intense at one time, that we had to move the engine away. The round-house could not help being on fire, for that oil sent down would have put anything on fire. By Senator Reyburn: Q. Did you see the troops come out? A. Yes, sir. Q. Were the burning cars around there? A. They had been sending down the burning cars sometime before. Q. Then it was afire when they came out? A. As soon as the troops came out, the chief engineer ordered some apparatus there, and we went there at once. There was almost an entire square on Liberty street, all lumber yards and frame shanties, on fire. And this machine shop was on fire. I am not positive about the two round-houses at that time. I was working there myself. Q. How many men, do you judge, were engaged in this burning? A. I cannot tell you that--a great many. Q. Actively engaged--that is, I want to distinguish between the persons standing around in crowds on the pavements looking on, and the parties actively engaged in the burning? A. When I was down on Liberty street, there appeared to be a great many people on the railroad track. Of course, they were pillaging then--it was plain--any person could see it. Every now and then you could see the flames bursting out from the cars. Q. Did you see this crowd--was it an organized effort to follow up the burning--did it seem to be followed systematically? A. Yes; I think it was organized. Q. Can you form any idea as to how many were actively engaged? A. I cannot. I was not on the railroad track that day. Men and women and everything else were on the railroad track. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Behind the fire? A. Yes; but they kept in front, too. By Senator Reyburn: Q. They were pillaging and carrying the things away? A. Yes; I got down to Eleventh street, and went to the Pan-Handle railroad yard, and they were breaking the cars open and setting the things on fire. I said to them, don't do it, or you will set the city on fire, and they said they did not care a damn if they did. By Mr. Means: Q. Did you know those men? A. No; I never saw them before or since. On Saturday evening I was sitting in front of the engine house, and some men came up in front and said, "If there is a fire to-night, I suppose you will turn out." I said, "Certainly," when he said, "If you turn out there will be trouble. We will cut your hose and smash your apparatus." By Senator Reyburn: Q. Did he talk as if he came to warn you for that purpose? A. Yes; he talked as if he came for the purpose of letting us know that. There was a great deal of feeling that night. By Senator Yutzy: Q. Did you have none of your engines in service before the troops left? A. No. Q. You played on neither private property nor railroad property? A. No. Q. Were the crowd generally disorderly? A. Yes. Q. Making threats?