Although Brennan testified that the man in the window was standing when he fired the shots,[C4-265] most probably he was either sitting or kneeling. The half-open window,[C4-266] the arrangement of the boxes,[C4-267] and the angle of the shots virtually preclude a standing position.[C4-268] It is understandable, however, for Brennan to have believed that the man with the rifle was standing. A photograph of the building taken seconds after the assassination shows three employees looking out of the fifth-floor window directly below the window from which the shots were fired. Brennan testified that they were standing,[C4-269] which is their apparent position in the photograph.[C4-270] (See Dillard Exhibits Nos. C and D. pp. 66-67.) But the testimony of these employees,[C4-271] together with photographs subsequently taken of them at the scene of the assassination,[C4-272] establishes that they were either squatting or kneeling. (See Commission Exhibit No. 485, p. 69.) Since the window ledges in the Depository Building are lower than in most buildings,[C4-273] a person squatting or kneeling exposes more of his body than would normally be the case. From the street, this creates the impression that the person is standing. Brennan could have seen enough of the body of a kneeling or squatting person to estimate his height. Shortly after the assassination Brennan noticed two of these employees leaving the building and immediately identified them as having been in the fifth-floor windows.[C4-274] When the three employees appeared before the Commission, Brennan identified the two whom he saw leave the building.[C4-275] The two men, Harold Norman and James Jarman, Jr., each confirmed that when they came out of the building, they saw and heard Brennan describing what he had seen.[C4-276] Norman stated, “* * * I remember him talking and I believe I remember seeing him saying that he saw us when we first went up to the fifth-floor window, he saw us then.”[C4-277] Jarman heard Brennan “talking to this officer about that he had heard these shots and he had seen the barrel of the gun sticking out the window, and he said that the shots came from inside the building.”[C4-278]