‘Ah!’ said Mr Springett, who had turned quite red. ‘You was talkin’ so fast I didn’t understand what you was drivin’ at. I’ve seen men--good workmen they was--try to do more than they could do, and--and they couldn’t compass it. They knowed it, and it nigh broke their hearts like. You was in your right, o’ course, sir, to say what you thought o’ his work; but if you’ll excuse me, was you in your duty?’ ‘I was wrong to say it,’ Hal replied. ‘God forgive me--I was young! He was workman enough himself to know where he failed. But it all came evens in the long run. By the same token, did ye ever hear o’ one Torrigiano--Torrisany we called him?’ ‘I can’t say I ever did. Was he a Frenchy like?’ ‘No, a hectoring, hard-mouthed, long-sworded Italian builder, as vain as a peacock and as strong as a bull, but, mark you, a master workman. More than that--he could get his best work out of the worst men.’ ‘Which it’s a gift. I had a foreman-bricklayer like him once,’ said Mr Springett. ‘He used to prod ‘em in the back like with a pointing-trowel, and they did wonders.’ I’ve seen our Torrisany lay a ‘prentice down with one buffet and raise him with another--to make a mason of him. I worked under him at building a chapel in London--a chapel and a tomb for the King.’ ‘I never knew kings went to chapel much,’ said Mr Springett. ‘But I always hold with a man--don’t care who he be--seein’ about his own grave before he dies. ‘Tidn’t the sort of thing to leave to your family after the will’s read. I reckon ‘twas a fine vault?’ ‘None finer in England. This Torrigiano had the contract for it, as you’d say. He picked master craftsmen from all parts--England, France, Italy, the Low Countries--no odds to him so long as they knew their work, and he drove them like--like pigs at Brightling Fair. He called us English all pigs. We suffered it because he was a master in his craft. If he misliked any work that a man had done, with his own great hands he’d rive it out, and tear it down before us all. “Ah, you pig--you English pig!” he’d scream in the dumb wretch’s face. “You answer me? You look at me? You think at me? Come out with me into the cloisters. I will teach you carving myself. I will gild you all over!” But when his passion had blown out, he’d slip his arm round the man’s neck, and impart knowledge worth gold. ‘Twould have done your heart good, Mus’ Springett, to see the two hundred of us masons, jewellers, carvers, gilders, iron-workers and the rest--all toiling like cock-angels, and this mad Italian hornet fleeing one to next up and down the chapel. Done your heart good, it would!’ ‘I believe you,’ said Mr Springett. ‘In Eighteen hundred Fifty-four, I mind, the railway was bein’ made into Hastin’s. There was two thousand navvies on it--all young--all strong--an’ I was one of ‘em. Oh, dearie me! Excuse me, sir, but was your enemy workin’ with you?’