A. They weren't there to look at Man, only to watch _me_. They weren't even sightseeing--they were slumming. However, I think I am ceasing to be the only one. I think you are coming to know these things, too. Q. Very gratifying. Now, as to the latest trip? A. There seems to have been a slip-up.... Q. _Another_ one? A. Different. The ones _I_ made were errors in time; this one is not mine, and it's in hyper-time. I was trying to explain it to a friend, but he already knew all about it and that led to the slip-up. It caused it, yet it came afterward. Q. How annoying for you. How did you explain hyper-time? A. I said that when an object moves or changes, time is needed as one of the coordinates to describe that change. I said that consciousness moves _through_ time--from Monday to Tuesday--otherwise we would be merely aware of differences without experiencing them as change. I said that to describe this motion of consciousness along the dimension of time, _another_ coordinate is needed: hyper-time. Q. And the slip-up--which you claim is not yours? A. Is in hyper-time. It is the result of the Unity and Mankind affecting one another. You have, through my efforts, examined them--and thus changed them. Now they begin to examine you--with the result that _you_ change. Q. They begin to examine _us_? You must mean they have examined _you_. A. There is a man--a young physicist--and he has found out something. I think that without quite knowing it, he has detected you. At all events, he has found out where you are, and I think that perhaps you are aware. Q. What makes you say that? A. Obviously these things work both ways. Heisenberg's principle says-- Q. We want to hear no more of Heisenberg's principle! There's enough confusion as it is, without that! A. I admit it. That's why I decided to--to close my eyes to everything but essentials on this trip. Q. It is gratifying to hear you admit something for a change. What are you "closing your eyes to" in this case? A. Appearances. Q. Why? A. Appearances are deceitful. That is, they are now; they weren't before, when the Unity was the Unity and Mankind was Mankind, not something of each. You ask me to keep my objectivity and you don't tell me how. You can't, of course--your own is too lost for you even to know it's gone. So I have to work out my way alone and the best method seems to be to work with as few senses as possible. That won't give me real objectivity, but it will mean somewhat less involvement. Q. The less you see, the more you can observe? Does that make sense? A. Nothing does any more. Oh, if you had only stopped in time--no, that wasn't possible. Q. Why not?