Mr. C.—That is my opinion. Besides your dependence upon the State, for money, protection, and liberty of conscience, your _Independent_ Ministers are dependent on their congregations; and it is well known that they prefer a certainty to an uncertainty, and never refuse, from conscientious scruples, a good legacy, or any other sort of endowment which they can get. Indeed, when it is convenient. Dissenting Ministers can plead the uncertainty of the Voluntary principle, with all the eloquence which experience teaches. Mr. S.—I have long suspected that you had but little respect for Dissent, and now I find that you have none at all. Mr. C.—I think I have pretty clearly shown that none is due to it. If, however, any proof be required, look at Dissenters walking arm in arm with Papists to the political meeting, or the parish vestry. Look at Protestant Dissenters hugging Popery, that old Demon of idolatry, superstition, and wickedness—that monster of tyranny and oppression, which their forefathers utterly abhorred. Mr. S.—I was for years a soldier in Spain, where Popery only tolerates her own idolatrous worship, not merely of images, wafers, and saints, but also those precious relics of superstition, old bones and rotten rags! and as I know what Popery is where she CAN exercise her tyranny, and that all her professions of liberalism are nothing but “lies spoken in hypocrisy,” I must acknowledge that by joining such a companion Dissent degrades herself in the respect and the esteem of all good men. Mr. C.—Then I have a question to ask you. If, when you were beating up for recruits, the Papists had joined in your opposition to a Protestant Church, pray how did you mean to act with your new allies? Mr. S.—I meant that they _should_ march _behind_. Mr. C.—But suppose they _would_ march _before_, you could find but one way of getting out of your difficulty, and that is, by walking arm in arm together. Mr. S.—It is not unlikely but I might have found myself in some difficulty; and so, to say no more about it, I will just remark, that notwithstanding some proof of our connexion with the State, I still think the Bible requires that the State should have nothing to do with religion.