The first philosophers of Greece : $b An edition and translation of the remaining fragments of the pre-Sokratic philosophers, together with a translation of the more important accounts of their opinions contained in the early epitomes of their worksFairbanks, Arthur
Philosophy
The first philosophers of Greece : $b An edition and translation of the remaining fragments of the pre-Sokratic philosophers, together with a translation of the more important accounts of their opinions contained in the early epitomes of their works
Fairbanks, Arthur
Philosophy, Ancient
i. 6; 987 b 22. But that the one is the real essence of things, and not
something else with unity as an attribute, he affirms, agreeing with the
Pythagoreans; and in harmony with them he affirms that numbers are the
principles of being for other things. But it is peculiar to him that
instead of a single infinite he posits a double infinite, an infinite
of greatness and of littleness; and it is also peculiar to him that he
separates numbers from things that are seen, while they say that numbers
are the things themselves, and do not interpose mathematical objects
between them. This separation of the one and numbers from things, in
contrast with the position of the Pythagoreans, and the introduction of
ideas, are the consequence of his investigation by concepts.
i. 8; 989 b 32-990 a 32. Those, however, who carry on their investigation
with reference to all things, and divide things into what are perceived
and what are not perceived by sense, evidently examine both classes, so
one must delay a little longer over what they say. They speak correctly
and incorrectly in reference to the questions now before us. Now those
who are called Pythagoreans use principles and elements yet stranger than
those of the physicists, in that they do not take them from the sphere of
sense, for mathematical objects are without motion, except in the case of
astronomy. Still, they discourse about everything in nature and study it;
they construct the heaven, they observe what happens in its parts †and
their states and motions†; they apply to these their first principles and
causes, as though they agreed entirely with the other physicists that
being is only what is perceptible and what that which is called heaven
includes. But their causes and first principles, they say, are such as
to lead up to the higher parts of reality, and are in harmony with this
rather than with the doctrines of nature. In what manner motion will take
place when finite and infinite, odd and even, are the only underlying
realities, they do not say; nor how it is possible for genesis and
destruction to take place without motion and change, or for the heavenly
bodies to revolve. Farther, if one grant to them that greatness arises
from these principles, or if this could be proved, nevertheless, how will
it be that some bodies are light and some heavy? For their postulates
and statements apply no more to mathematical objects than to things of
sense; accordingly they have said nothing at all about fire or earth
or any such objects, because I think they have no distinctive doctrine
about things of sense. Farther, how is it necessary to assume that number
and states of number are the causes of what is in the heavens and what
is taking place there from the beginning and now, and that there is no
other number than that out of which the world is composed? For when
opinion and opportune time are at a certain point in the heavens, and
a little farther up or down are injustice and judgment or a mixture of
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