The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 1Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 1
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
"While we were dependent on the crown of Great Britain, it
was in contemplation to form the whole into one; but it was
found impracticable. No legislature could make good laws for
the whole, nor can it now be done. It would necessarily
place the power in the hands of the few nearest the seat of
government. State governments must therefore remain, if you
mean to prevent confusion. The general negative powers will
support the general government. Upon these considerations, I
am led to form the second branch differently from the
report. These powers are important, and the number not too
large, upon the principle of proportion. I have considered
the subject with great attention; and I propose this plan
(reads it), and if no better plan is proposed, I will then
move its adoption."--Yates, _Secret Proceedings_, etc., 163.
The mode of constituting the 2^d branch being under consideration.
The word "national" was struck out, and "United States" inserted.
M^r Ghorum, inclined to a compromise as to the rule of proportion. He
thought there was some weight in the objections of the small States. If
V^a should have 16. votes & Del^{re} with several other States together
16, those from Virg^a would be more likely to unite than the others, and
would therefore have an undue influence. This remark was applicable not
only to States, but to Counties or other districts of the same State.
Accordingly the Constitution of Mass^{ts} had provided that the
representatives of the larger districts should not be in an exact ratio
to their numbers, and experience he thought had shewn the provision to
be expedient.
M^r Read. The States have heretofore been in a sort of partnership. They
ought to adjust their old affairs before they open a new account. He
brought into view the appropriation of the co[~m]on interest in the
Western lands, to the use of particular States. Let justice be done on
this head; let the fund be applied fairly & equally to the discharge of
the general debt, and the smaller States who had been injured; would
listen then perhaps to those ideas of just representation which had been
held out.
M^r Ghorum, did not see how the Convention could interpose in the case.
Errors he allowed had been committed on the subject. But Cong^s were now
using their endeavours to rectify them. The best remedy would be such a
Government as would have vigor enough to do justice throughout. This was
certainly the best chance that could be afforded to the smaller States.
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